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Re: Buying my first set of clubs - please help

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Tue, Jun 2 2015 5:46 PM (16 replies)
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  • oneeyedjohn
    9,589 Posts
    Tue, Jun 2 2015 1:51 PM

    Yep, Al is right. The G25's are a great stepping stone that will take u all the way to Legend, 

    U'll get to level 59 in no time at all, play a lot of Alternate Shot games and observe how other players make the best of their equipment.

  • alcaucin
    9,041 Posts
    Tue, Jun 2 2015 2:09 PM

    oneeyedjohn:
    play a lot of Alternate Shot games and observe how other players make the best of their equipment.

    ^^ good advice too...don't be embarrassed to ask " how did you do that "...

    Learnt alot in the early days by doing just that                  ^^^^^^^

  • DaveDwingdale
    1,240 Posts
    Tue, Jun 2 2015 2:34 PM

    DaveDwingdale:

    How fast are you progressing through levels?  If you want clubs for the "right now" I'd say get yourself the Taylormade R11 irons and the Calloway X Hot 10.5 Driver.  Then when you hit level 38-39 grab the ATV wedges.  (And don't waste so much money on those expensive Nike balls.)

    *My take at first glance.

    Dave

    These folks are giving you great advice for the long haul.  As I said my advice was for "right now"  

    Just for S&Gs I went and bought the Complete R11 set and the 54 & 60 degree ATV wedges to try out.  I used a G1-SD ball that was in my bag.  Played the US Open Qualifier as I have played it several times with starter clubs. Shot 68 with the R11s. My best with just starters is 78. So without any "mapping" or experience with the R11s I improved my score by 10 strokes. I hope this info is helpful to you whatever your goals are.

    Also, I hit the hybrid only once during the round (and ended up in a bunker), and several times wished I had the 64 degree wedge instead of a hybrid.

    And since I'm handing out free advice (worth every penny)  If you really want to get into playing, play the free stroke play tournaments to boost your XPs and move up through the levels.

    Good Luck,

    DaveD

    EDIT: Couldn't resist going 'round one more time.(Actually kind of fun; makes it tough to score but not as hard as starters.)  Shot 66 second time around.  

  • alcaucin
    9,041 Posts
    Tue, Jun 2 2015 2:47 PM

    DaveDwingdale:
    Complete R11 set and the 54 & 60 degree ATV wedges to try out.

    Bought exactly the same Dave....tho the wedges were Satins back then, still got the 64 in bag .. ( it's an old friend )

    The L44 / 48 ? redwood putter was a fookin mistake mind  ! :))

    Don't think I knew what increments were then :)))

  • alanti
    10,564 Posts
    Tue, Jun 2 2015 3:11 PM

    Just a few points.

    Firstly I thought Andy's middle name was humble......must be someone else.

    I agree with 1i - play with better players and ask questions. Many will leave when they see you join, some like me have fun.

    I do concur with Dave's advice - the R11's are without doubt good clubs and will improve scoring markedly.

    However this really depends on budget and will outgrow these clubs requiring further upgrades.

    It is a slippery slope to constant upgrades after that first foray into good clubs - the better you score the faster you tier up, the sooner you upgrade. That is the business model.

    If income is limited (and my reason for holding off was you never actually own anything - that took a long time to get my head around that concept) IMO (I am not humble) you should wait.

  • Yiannis1970
    3,338 Posts
    Tue, Jun 2 2015 3:25 PM

    alanti:

    The G25's are the first high trajectory clubs and can take you all the way to legend. Anything less will require another upgrade earlier.

     

    Game, set and match.

     

  • NytarSanguine
    1 Posts
    Tue, Jun 2 2015 5:46 PM

    ***Disclaimer*** not a 90+ TL or anything of the sort. that being said some of the things Ive noticed and tested/worked on and experiences.

     

    first, are you hitting the dings? if so a slightly faster swing speed (meter) might be ok. test some of the speeds and find a reasonable speed for you (give it plenty of time.. 2 rounds or so to test full feel of it)

    if you are having problems then may need to slow down the speeds as much as possible (reasonable just getting used to the timers in a new golf game even for people that have played video golf for years like myself, each game has its rhythms.. this one is variable so helps.) find your tempo of clubs+balls.

    try to match your meters through all your clubs (wedges seem to be the problem area and usually are faster period. with a few exceptions) or as close to as possible, if your driver is 4.5 and your irons are 3.0 it will mess with tempo. (in more real golf terms it would be like playing with un matched flex on the shafts)

    yes stats wise for precision even spin on some clubs may be very nice for the money. if your meter is not time-able for you you wont play well. first thing I look at is meter speed, then forgiveness. why? if you are not dinging or super close to it 50+% of the time your off hits will be worse and even exaggerated. precision is next its the reduction of landing area (for on hit shots) I will take slower meter and a higher forgiveness. I know I would rather be un precisely 15 ft from pin on green then hitting 25-30% late and precisely in a bunker.

    Gapping your selections (something I am modifying soon) getting a shorter gap on your short irons/wedges is more important then something only 10 yards different at the upper end of the bag. (take their advice on dropping the hybrid as it only comes out at best 3 (usually average is 1 so sometimes it hibernates in the bag completely.)times in a whole game)  Gary Player was the last player Ive seen ever really pull out a 5 wood (short guy needed some more fairway distance) which would be the closest relative to the hybrid.)

    Namebrand Shmame brand. some of these guys play what they would actually want to see in their bags. not for performance it gives. not saying quality ain't there but if a off-brand gives you your shots you need its better then the name brands giving you shots you cont control. (specially in the virtual world, its the stats given more then the name printed on the club)

    Shop around for YOUR game play. also if your irons are 10 yards short for pro tee box. up your driver for another 10-15 yards that fits your meter speed. your irons selection for approach shots are now back to what they were before or very close to. (example: if you were 255 of the tee with a 245 driver for a follow up 4 iron to green. the +10 yards from a 255 club hitting you out 265-268 now pro tees are 10-20 yards longer depending in most cases Ive seen. you will be playing the same irons you have been with a long 4 or a short 3 iron)

    almost all putters have the same meter (5) so look for forgiveness (specially if having meter issues cause a small off hit is big on putters) precision will help from there in speed and push/pull consistency.

    Ball selection... again play a consistent affordable ball for you where meter is considered. spin and distance can be nice  but to many off hits means consistency of spin and distance will be all over the map for both club map and the golf course map.

    I myself am trying to get the longer driver and 3W (with matching speed to my irons). and dropping hybrid in favor of a wedge to smooth out the transition of the short irons and wedges.

    putting is most important then short game (wedges and short irons) then its the distance to get them in those ranges. once you have those three things and are all controlled your game will smooth out. Strategy of when to use what club and shot type given conditions will be in time.

    http://shortgrass123.wix.com/pinhunters has great tips on play (I do not agree with their forgiveness precision formula (through hours of personal testing in practice rounds mapping clubs and comparing hits) but everything else has extreme merit.

    look around for lie calculations that fit your game and mathematics style.  some like the simple "add x yards/club for this lie" some are little more precise and use "add x % to distance needed" others like myself get a little more into the calculations and say "divide distance by this decimal figure for this step and this decimal by this step for this lie then figure elevation at this percent then figure wind at these rates per x yardage for these clubs" when my math is right and I don't miss the ding I am usually within a few feet of the hole even with "low precision clubs" I am still working on perfecting the math. I play a lot by feel but the math helps since I cant actually be feet on the real grass and the wind on my face.

    if you are like me on these new meter speeds, go for higher meter speed and more forgiveness, if you took up to the faster meters and ding or extremely close the majority of time, then have fun with the precision clubs by all means.

    hope this helps to find the right clubs for YOUR game. and sorry it was so long, good luck and many fairways and greens to you :)

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