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Re: Nike lvl 97 Irons

• JFidanza 1,676 Posts

  Mon, Jul 20 2015 10:37 PM

  11BC2:

   

  I'd be curious to see what peoples opinions are on the Volvik 51s??  

  I posted a few vids and results* from the V51s using the N 85s and top Cleves.

  I would like to try them again, maybe sometime in the future.

  Good stick, nice meter...maybe a little slow paced at times compared to what I was used to in the past.

  "..And later today, shot my best 9 round score of 23 on BO Par 3, natch, using the 51s..."

  http://www.wgt.com/forums/p/277668/2229262.aspx#2229262

  *

  http://www.wgt.com/forums/p/277668/2220755.aspx#2220755

  andyson:

  WGTicon:

  Also, when you choke on a club, and hit bs, all these elements introduce a higher chance to have a deviation.

  Which tells us not all shots deviate.  And it does not mean a higher deviation circle. Or mean a huge deviation may happen.

  That would be my understanding of Icon's statement as written.   Perhaps Icon  could clarify?

   

  I guess a few things could be considered like that the listed max distance of a club may be rated at neutral spin, more so than FTS or FBS.

  General observations: A bigger factor is that moving the spin dot down for back spin could cause the ball to stay in the wind longer, and unless it's a no-wind situation, the ball will be affected by a variable wind speed longer than a ball w/ no spin.

  The distance the ball strays from the aiming pointer will be greater with FBS. That may be taken into consideration when calculating but-

  The unknown factor of the wind (e.g. is it 18 or any speed up to 23MPH, or gusting on and off?) will add indistinctness to the calculation, more so when compared to no spin.

  Some iron mapping suggestions I've read naturally contain the idea to map the equipment using no spin in addition to FBS, FTS etc. etc. which makes sense, but one might also consider the point about the effect of the wind as stated above. 

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Jul 21 2015 2:33 PM

  JFidanza:

  I guess a few things could be considered like that the listed max distance of a club may be rated at neutral spin, more so than FTS or FBS.

  ??  What part of average distance listed for each club don't you understand?  It's not max distance!  Says so when you look at clubs in the pro shop or in your inventory! SMH

  More info on how avg distance is determined by WGT in this thread. 

  Use the avg distance listed only as a guide.  Map your club/ball combination for FBS, Neutral BS, and even FTS with no or minimal head tail winds and use that data.  It goes without saying that better players will know BS keeps the ball in the air longer and cross winds have more effect than Neutral spin and include it in their calculation and aim.

  Wind speed is fixed within the range given.  I use the middle value and am confident it's within =/- 0.5mph.   There is no variable wind speed.  It does not change while the ball is in the air.  People use it as an excuse for poor calculation or poor shot execution.

  Pardon me if this seems harsh.  Before anyone takes your advice (or anyone's for that matter) as gospel, take a look at the advice givers score history.  JF, with your high level equipment from the Tour Master tees you really should be shooting sub 30 scores for 9 on full courses, but you shoot around par.  Posting low scores would give your game advice some credibility.

• JFidanza 1,676 Posts

  Tue, Jul 21 2015 6:20 PM

  andyson:

  Pardon me if this seems harsh.  Before anyone takes your advice (or anyone's for that matter) as gospel, take a look at the advice givers score history.  JF, with your high level equipment from the Tour Master tees you really should be shooting sub 30 scores for 9 on full courses, but you shoot around par.  Posting low scores would give your game advice some credibility.

  Give me a break Mr meltdown (see the thread where Andy discounted fmagnets just because fmags and I agreed on a fact that Andy never considered)

  I have stopped playing for a while now as the game went to hell like many TL did, so I've been playing for a total of 14 months approx. only w/ 3 HIO and 2nd place award KIA using equipment less than the best. 

  I will continue to ignore you (which is your advice to me, in fact), but maybe if you beat one of the best on WGT twice in one day in a challenge using cheap balls (even while I streamed 100% CPU!) and I have all of it on video, then maybe I'll read your grumpy replies, but that will never happen.  

  You think fmagnets doesn't have a clue about the game, sorry I have to call BS. Maybe you're drunk again. I'm being reasonable. (keep grinding that axe Andy!)

• SweetiePie 4,925 Posts

  Tue, Jul 21 2015 7:02 PM

  DECDEV:

  Hi all just wondering about opinions on lvl 97 irons i have lvl 85s but will be 97 level soon.

  All my clubs are 3.5 meter so what you think for the difference in meter and general specs are they much better than the 85s or has anyone changed and are you happy with the change.

  Thanks,

  Decdev.

  OK, OK.....HELP!!!!  ....I saw that I responded to this thread. So, then I saw it went to 4 pages. And then I saw that my friends; J-Bog, J-Fid & Andyson had all pitched in with several posts. And then I saw someone talkin' about Max balls, Cally balls, F-Mag, Icon, spin, deviations, choking down....name calling and what have you....So. did anyone answer Decdev's question ?   ;-}}} 

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Jul 21 2015 7:56 PM

  JFdude, you're the one having the meltdown.  Insults just roll off my back.

  Yes I disagreed once with Fmags on a matter of opinion.  Its allowed.  Here's that exchange:

  andyson:

  fmagnets:

  The OP is more likely describing putting past the hole on a continuous downslope, yet not having the putt back as showing uphill on the elevation indicator.

  More likely?  I don't think so.  We don't know how far past the hole he checked or how far past the hole his 1st putt was.  My example is the same as the OP's as it does reflect what he reported and demonstrates how it happened.  And I did say "It's a worthwhile effort to check more than a foot behind the hole."

  And that was it.  But in your delusion you say I think Fmags doesn't have a clue about the game? Pfffft!

  So your game went to hell?  It wasn't a long trip then since you never had game.

  Some of JF's score history:

  05.23.15     Ph Front Part 2 Front 9     All Players     38
  05.22.15     Pine Front     Front 9     All Players     35
  05.21.15     Rsg F         Front 9     All Players     34
  05.20.15     Bethpage Black     Back 9         Tour Master     36
  05.19.15     Rsg Back9     Back 9         All Players     31
  05.17.15     Best of Par 4     Front 9     All Players     35
  05.16.15     Rsg B         Back 9         All Players     37
  04.30.15     The Olympic Club     Back 9     Tour Master     36
  04.30.15     Merion Golf Club     Back 9     Tour Master     36
  04.28.15     Merion Golf Club     Front 9 Tour Master     39
  04.25.15     Kiawah Island    Front 9     Tour Master     38

  All this with L84/L97 clubs from the Master tees. Anyone who knows anything about playing this game would be sub 30s regularly.

  People, before taking someone's advice as fact check their score history.

   

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Jul 21 2015 8:02 PM

  SweetiePie:

  ......So. did anyone answer Decdev's question ?   ;-}}}

  LMFAO Lily !!  ;o)

• JFidanza 1,676 Posts

  Tue, Jul 21 2015 8:15 PM

  andyson:

  However, if experimenting with different equipment is what is fun for you, by all means continue and ignore this grumpy old man.  ;o)

  11 months on WGT, Nike 85s Cally 37s, man 'i suck', only 2nd place? 

  

  ppfffttt

   

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Jul 21 2015 9:20 PM

  That was April huh?  Congrats man.  That's 1.   Show us 20 of those and we'll be impressed.  Show me a bunch (10 or so) of sub 30s and I'll say you got game.

  Or are you avoiding Legend tier by posting only scores around par?

• DECDEV 749 Posts

  Sat, Aug 8 2015 1:47 AM

  Well i got them thanks all little adjusting to the meter but love them apart from that.

  Regards,

  DECDEV.