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Re: G10 to Burner 2.0

• JaLaBar 1,254 Posts

  Fri, Jul 29 2011 10:12 AM

  MainzMan:

  They're even a huge bargain if you compare them to the Tour PLUS iron set at 2,990 credits. How the hell can that price possibly be justified?  Is WGT preying on the new player who thinks wow, 2,990, they must be great?  Seriously WGT, either drop those things from the shop or make them a realistic price, you're charging Ferrari money for a Lada there.

  I bought the Tour Plus set at level 6 and they lasted me to level 48.  Price isn't so high for a set that lasts 42 levels.

• JaLaBar 1,254 Posts

  Fri, Jul 29 2011 10:16 AM

  I just made this change... the meter difference was kinda large for me since I was already using Callaways, already had the highest feel balls.  But, after a couple of days, I have gotten the hang of them and now love them.  Yes, the difference in precision and length over the G10s is highly noticeable.  Great iron set.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Jul 29 2011 11:10 AM

  JaLaBar:

  I just made this change

  Good move. I also notice you went with 3 wedges. Try them with the (s) Callaway. They're cheaper, you don't need the extra distance of the (z) and you will add another piece to your game like flops that stop dead where they land.  :-)

• danohi50 1,020 Posts

  Fri, Jul 29 2011 1:27 PM

  Dear YankeeJim

  Congrats on helping to make the Mariners look bad last week. Thankfully, Felix kept up his run.

  I have a question about the Z vrs the calloway S controversy.

  First I will acknowledge your a far better player than I am. So my question is probably more about theory or style over actual substance.

  For me the slight run out with the 60 and 80 yard Cleavland wedges makes it slightly easier to hole my flop shots,  with the S ball as you say  stick,  sometimes even back up. So I find it easier to hole out my flops with those two clubs. The flop shots on the 100 run out too much so you really have to know and understand that flop shot to keep it in 1 putt distance.

  Wouldnt you agree that the distance with the z balls makes a course such as congressional,  or bethpage easier to play? They stop very well with long irons. For me there easier to get close. 

  Playing characteristics for the length legends require vrs tour masters may be the real difference in what a player really needs.

  Your thoughts sir.

   

   

   

   

   

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Fri, Jul 29 2011 2:33 PM

  Heh-Don't short suit yourself, Dano, we're pretty even in the stats and from the same tees we'd probably trade punches.  ;-)

  As far as your question about the balls I haven't closely looked at the difference in the balls other than to play a sleeve of the z's because they were free. That was enough for me to know the distance difference wasn't worth the spin difference, at least when hitting the Burners. I personally didn't see a major difference. I do see a little difference off the tee against someone using them but not enough to change anything important.

  I like the spin on flops because I know what those flops do with full back spin. You control the rollout you want by using less spin so it's fairly easy to get the yardage and roll you want. Let's face it, you flop one in you got lucky, it's not as reliable as a chip or pitch for holing out but definitely makes up and down only 2 shots if it doesn't drop. I rarely flop the 100, preferring punches and pitches.

  There's a really subtle side of spin that comes into play when you start using it to control carry as well as landing. That's where I think its worth is and I'm working on figuring it out.

• JaLaBar 1,254 Posts

  Fri, Jul 29 2011 11:22 PM

  I use the Zs for one simple reason:  I tried both, and played better using the Zs.  The spin plenty for me, and fly well.  Sure, they cost $0.17 more each, but if I play better with them, it's worth it.

• Heisman12 102 Posts

  Sat, Jul 30 2011 4:17 PM

  Jim, when the Calloways first came out, I bought the S-ball and used it for a couple of months.  At that time I hadn't yet qualified to buy the R11 driver, and I realized that I needed the Z-ball to be able to reach in 2 on some of the par 5's.  For me, the distance was worth it.  Now that I'm so used to the Z-ball, I don't see myself switching back, as there is still plenty of spin.

  So here's a question for you: on the 240 yard par 3's at RSG, with a tailwind, I can hit my 3 iron with full topspin and end up pin high with the Z-ball.  Can the S-ball do that consistently?

  Same question for the par 5 at CCC (I forget which hole it is) where you have to carry the water on your approach.  Will the S-ball consistently make that?

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sun, Jul 31 2011 7:47 AM

  Heisman12:

  So here's a question for you: on the 240 yard par 3's at RSG, with a tailwind, I can hit my 3 iron with full topspin and end up pin high with the Z-ball.  Can the S-ball do that consistently?

  The R11 3w with spin and choking holds pretty good. You're putting from on top anyway. (CCC #2 got that dialed in during the Open.)

  Heisman12:

  Same question for the par 5 at CCC (I forget which hole it is) where you have to carry the water on your approach.  Will the S-ball consistently make that?

  I don't try enough to say. With the right wind direction, yes, but the way the CGs work up close I go for the automatic birdie most of the time. (Maybe when the ball is in the red I might be a little more aggressive.)  :-)