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Sat, Nov 6 2010 1:06 PM (13 replies)
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  • Dutch57
    362 Posts
    Tue, Mar 30 2010 4:21 AM

    How come  on any given hole   ,a headwind of  20  mph  ,  will affect the shot  side to side predictably,   but  not so     front to back..  One  time it  does affect the shot and the next time it  does not.  I talked to several pro's and they are all in agreement  that the wind is a crap shoot. No one  can guarantee its predictability.  Its on all courses  and  most noticed on  St Andrews , but not limited to this course.   

  • ncviz
    527 Posts
    Tue, Mar 30 2010 4:38 AM

    Well I wouldn't agree with that. St Andrews sometimes throws you for a loop, but alot of that has to do with where you're landing it and I haven't really paid too much attention to that, so it's understandable.

    This has been thrown around for a while, stop looking at the wind as some linear value that will affect the PW the same as it will the say 5 or 6 iron. Best advice I could give is setup a practice in high wind, hit one shot with a mid iron, then hit it back to the fariway and hit a more lofted club. You will wear some balls out but it's good practice.

  • Dutch57
    362 Posts
    Tue, Mar 30 2010 5:42 AM

    You contradict yourself   you say you haven't paid much attn.. yet you pass judgment..  You  remind me of my wife.  LOL  

  • ncviz
    527 Posts
    Tue, Mar 30 2010 5:52 AM
    Not "passing judgement" on anything, whatever the heck that means. You're the one that is making assumptions about the wind that are incorrect. Just trying to help, but obviously you want to just blame the game, when really it's operator error. Good luck with that.
  • Snaike
    3,678 Posts
    Tue, Mar 30 2010 11:47 AM

    Dutch57:
    You contradict yourself   you say you haven't paid much attn.. yet you pass judgment..  You  remind me of my wife.  LOL  

    I dunno Dutch... ncviz has been here long enough for her to say that when she doesn't pay much attention to something, it usually means she has seen it more than most of the rest of us...  If I were you, I'd take her advice.

    You don't get her average, and overall stats, by being someone who hasn't pretty much seen it all here, and then kicked it's butt on the way to the clubhouse.

    Just my 2¢...

  • WGTniv
    1,788 Posts
    Tue, Mar 30 2010 1:34 PM

    Hi guys,

    Allow me to shed some light on this.  Many of you may recall that I played this game pretty well myself for a very long time and still have been known to tear it up now and then.  The wind is very consistent and this is why your top players routinely shoot well.  The issue with the wind not appearing consistent comes from your club's precision.  Somewhat furthering my point is the fact that most of these types of complaints generally come from low precision club owners and rarely from high precision owners.

    So, what does precision rating have to do with the wind?  Well, a club's precision estimates how close to the aim point your ball will land (on average) when you hit an "Excellent" shot, aka a DING.  The important thing to remember here is that you're not really aiming at a fixed point the size of your aim arrow.  It's not realistic to hit the ball onto a point the size of a dime. So what I would do instead is try to imagine that my aim "point" is actually more like an aim circle that's a few yards wide.  The lower the club's precision is the bigger the aim circle that your ball can land in on a dinged shot.  However, with a higher precision rating usually comes less forgiveness meaning that your mishit shots will be penalized much more.  That's the offset and the choice players will have to make while considering there own game and skill sets.

    Some players will operate on the assumption that every ding goes exactly down your aim line like a tracer.  It does not and that's what most folks forget to take that into account.  In other words, they are judging wind based on two factors: a.) where they aimed and b.) where the ball landed.  The problem with this approach is that the key third factor, low precision is not being considered into the final result.

    When judging the wind's strength, be sure to note how far off the target line your ball started when you struck it.  If you aim 15 degrees left to accommodate for a left to right wind and your ball actually starts 20 degrees left instead (because of low precision) then it will appear that the wind did not affect the ball as much.  In reality, the ball started farther left than intended and the wind couldn't bring it all the way back.  Remember that every shot that isn't a straight shot will have a mild sidespin effect imparted on it.  That can cut into the wind (thereby diminishing the effect) or can work with the wind (thus amplifying the effect).

    Also, it's important to keep in mind that club loft has an effect on the wind.  The spin rate you put on the ball also has an effect on the wind.  The general rule of thumb is that the higher the arc on the shot  the more the wind will affect it, but you also must consider the amount of forward distance traveled as well.  Clubs that maximize both arc height and distance (like your middle irons) will generally be affected more than clubs that only maximize either height or distance, not both.

    After taking all of these factors into consideration I think a lot of players will find that the wind is quite consistent.  What players are battling is actually low club precision.  Once I figured this out as a player and began to really take notice of it things started making a lot more sense.  I hope that helps to clear up some of the confusion.

    Hit 'em well! =)

  • neildiamond11790
    1,115 Posts
    Tue, Mar 30 2010 1:53 PM

    I think I have noticed that the wind doesn't affect shorter clubs even though they are higher in loft.  I think it comes down to basically a ball thats in the air longer is affected in distance more.  I can hit a 115 PW like 106 into a stiff wind, but I can hit a 210yd 3iron only like 185 (both using full backspin).  I am sure if I kept really good records it work out a little closer for the 3 iron, but % wise thats 8% loss in distance on a PW, and a 12% loss on the 3 iron.  Thats a deviation of like 8 yards on the 3 iron off the PWs %.  8 yards is quite a bit, especially at St Andrews, but then again I can pay more attention to the figures and adjust the back spin.  Then again, in real life, my yardages on my wedges are much more accurate than a 3 iron, so maybe this is just the game reflecting real life, and like Niv said, its all about precision.

    Also remember anything but a ding can affect club yardages.

     

  • WGTniv
    1,788 Posts
    Tue, Mar 30 2010 2:00 PM

    You are correct Neil, thanks for pointing that out.  I've edited my original post to include that bit of info as well.

    Always keep in mind that performance will vary from clubset to clubset and even from one ball type to another since there are varying height and spin rates.  As most folks here will say, it's really a matter of putting in the stick time and working it out for yourself.

    Practice practice practice! =)

  • bucmac
    15 Posts
    Tue, Mar 30 2010 5:39 PM

    Different clubs,Different balls,Different wind speed and direction,Different location of hits on the ball,low,center,high, along with practice,practice,practice you can lower your score with the right combo.trust me its work,but it pays off and builds confidence.

  • Partsman41953
    341 Posts
    Sat, Nov 6 2010 3:28 AM

    I have a question or two about wind. First, if you have a 20 mph wind blowing right to left across the fairway and you have a 210 yard shot with a 3 iron into the green how far fight would you start the ball and how would you know how far right to place your pointer? 

    Second, take the same club and distance but the wind is at your back, how hard would you hit the club? I am figuring the club should be hit around 202-203 yards. Are my calculations correct here?

    I am having a very difficult time with our club tournaments with high winds. 

    I appreciate any help you can offer. 

    Glenn 

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