Forums

3 Wedges or 3 Woods(metals) in the bag.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Sep 26 2012 2:27 PM

  bubbadork:

  I realize that when I move back a tee (soon, I hope) that my wedges will be called into play less often

  Hate to pop your bubble there but you will use them more as a Legend than you ever did as a TM. Watch what happens to your GIRs when you get there.  :-)

• Cavan01 138 Posts

  Wed, Sep 26 2012 3:17 PM

  YankeeJim:

  Hate to pop your bubble there but you will use them more as a Legend than you ever did as a TM. Watch what happens to your GIRs when you get there.

  May have been this way for you, does not mean it will be for everyone.

  In my first 89 rounds at legend, my GIR is still slowly creeping up, is up to 82.71%.

  I have a 3 wood ( 275 yard driver, 235 yard 3 wood and 220 yard 3 hybrid ) and 2 wedge ( 85 and 60 yard ) set-up, only have level 48 Rapture irons ( 110-200 yards ), and other than of course longer clubs on approach shots, Legend tier IMO is not as hard as some tend to make it out to be.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Sep 26 2012 4:26 PM

  It's not a matter of how hard it is, it's about the clubs he's looking at now and the advice is geared towards him using equipment substantially different than yours. Legend shock occurs when you realize you have a problem holding greens from long iron positions. This is where the wedges will come into play quite a lot-getting up and down.

• Cavan01 138 Posts

  Wed, Sep 26 2012 5:02 PM

  YankeeJim:

  It's not a matter of how hard it is, it's about the clubs he's looking at now and the advice is geared towards him using equipment substantially different than yours. Legend shock occurs when you realize you have a problem holding greens from long iron positions. This is where the wedges will come into play quite a lot-getting up and down.

  Bubbadork made a simple statement about what he feels his game may be like at Legend. You not knowing his game have decided to disagree with him?

  What clubs is he looking at, I don't see him asking anything about clubs.

  This legend shock you talk about, Bubbadork is already using lvl 79 burner irons and a nike ball, he will easily hold greens with long irons.

  His irons for sure are substantially better than my irons but other than St Andrews dead down wind, heavy wind conditions, I am holding greens just fine with long Irons.

  Oh and what advice is geared toward him,

  "I hate to pop your bubble" and then proceeding to tell him he is going to hit fewer greens at legend is not advice.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Sep 26 2012 5:30 PM

  Cavan01:

  Bubbadork made a simple statement about what he feels his game may be like at Legend. You not knowing his game have decided to disagree with him?

  I don't need to know his game to advise on what to expect. The clubs he's looking at are the wedges. That's what we're talking about.

  Cavan01:

  This legend shock you talk about, Bubbadork is already using lvl 79 burner irons and a nike ball, he will easily hold greens with long irons.

  No he won't. Ask any R11 user.

  Cavan01:

  His irons for sure are substantially better than my irons but other than St Andrews dead down wind, heavy wind conditions, I am holding greens just fine with long Irons.

  I never said you weren't or couldn't. I do know you didn't get that ability overnight. That's where the point went with regard to his comment about the wedges.

  Cavan01:

  "I hate to pop your bubble" and then proceeding to tell him he is going to hit fewer greens at legend is not advice.

  You're right. It's a hard fact, not advice. The rest of the post was advice in the form of discussion. You're close to understanding.

• Cavan01 138 Posts

  Wed, Sep 26 2012 7:12 PM

  YankeeJim:

  Cavan01:

  Bubbadork made a simple statement about what he feels his game may be like at Legend. You not knowing his game have decided to disagree with him?

  I don't need to know his game to advise on what to expect. The clubs he's looking at are the wedges. That's what we're talking about.

  Cavan01:

  This legend shock you talk about, Bubbadork is already using lvl 79 burner irons and a nike ball, he will easily hold greens with long irons.

  No he won't. Ask any R11 user.

  Cavan01:

  His irons for sure are substantially better than my irons but other than St Andrews dead down wind, heavy wind conditions, I am holding greens just fine with long Irons.

  I never said you weren't or couldn't. I do know you didn't get that ability overnight. That's where the point went with regard to his comment about the wedges.

  Cavan01:

  "I hate to pop your bubble" and then proceeding to tell him he is going to hit fewer greens at legend is not advice.

  You're right. It's a hard fact, not advice. The rest of the post was advice in the form of discussion. You're close to understanding.

  No you are close, well not really close, to understanding.

  The op asked 3 woods vs 3 wedges on which course, Bubbadork made a statement about wedge play when he moves to legend, based on my legend play so far, there are less approach shots were one of your wedges can be used used ( just as example, # 3 Kiawah, now 90% is a PW always at TM was 85 or 60 yard wedge, hell most of the long par 5s that unless extremely down wind are 3 shot holes, are min. pw now.), and for me since GIR has not drooped so no increase in play around green as implied by you, Bubbadork's statement is correct based on my experience so far at legend.

  If you started hitting less greens and thus had more wedge play when you hit legend, that does not mean it will be this way for everyone.

  You think you don't need to know someone's game to give advice, all I can say to that is WOW.

  Recap

  You are saying more wedge play ( for you when advanced ), even though he has burner 2.0 irons which all who have state they stop on a dime.  I am saying less wedge play for me. We are both right concerning ourselves, that said you are not right telling someone else what happened to you will happen to them when they advance.

  Whether Bubbadork has less hit greens or not when moves to legend I have no idea about not sure why you think telling him he will is sensible to the point you are call it a hard fact. It is not a hard fact, it is /was just your experience.

   

• bubbadork 984 Posts

  Wed, Sep 26 2012 10:13 PM

  DrFell, I went off and shot the Olympic front 9 to see if I could shed some light on your question, and the result was no answer.  As you can see, I had no use for a hybrid.  On the other hand, there was only one wedge approach, and that was with my shortest wedge. Further, on the two missed greens, recovery was with my shortest wedge (both flops under 15 yards). So, no, I didn't need a hybrid, but no, I didn't need 3 wedges either.

   

  Olympic Front, approach shots

  Hole    Club           GIR

  1.      240 3-wood    Y

  2.      160 7-iron       Y

  3.      220 3-iron       N

  4.      145 8-iron       N

  5.      175 6-iron       Y

  6.      175 6-iron       Y

  7.       50 64 wedge Y

  8.      205 4-iron       Y

  9.      160 7-iron       Y

  

   

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Thu, Sep 27 2012 6:15 AM

  Cavan01:

  You think you don't need to know someone's game to give advice, all I can say to that is WOW

  Silly statement. There was no advice proffered past the general statement of what to expect. The rest of it is your take. You're welcome to it.

• Cavan01 138 Posts

  Thu, Sep 27 2012 9:17 AM

  YankeeJim:

  Cavan01:

  You think you don't need to know someone's game to give advice, all I can say to that is WOW

  Silly statement. There was no advice proffered past the general statement of what to expect. The rest of it is your take. You're welcome to it.

  No it is not silly, you are, IMO, making a statement on what to expect based on your experience, just because your GIR went down when reached legend due to longer approach shot does not mean the same will hold for anybody else

  ( Now correct me if I am wrong, I seem to recall seeing a post by you about spin, that you use more top/no spin than you do backspin, if I am remembering this correct, IMO, this is why you have lower GIR %. I have seen many top players when give spin advice that they almost always use back spin. In one of your replies you said to ask any R11 user concerning holding greens, IMO you are talking smoke, I have seen top players talk about shots into wind and R11 and burners, if use full backspin, they will aided by headwind spin back to far if you are not careful.

  You know and state you are not one of the top players yet I often see you in forums trying to advise people of things that your stats show you don't do all that well yourself. Telling as in this thread what to expect at legend.

  Top players would tell someone it gets harder to hold greens with longer shots, not as you have basically stating that GIR will go down. )

  My GIR has not suffered with vastly lesser clubs than you and Bubbadork, there is no reason for him to expect to hit fewer greens and have more wedge play around the green, none what so ever.

  Even for a 3 wedge set-up there will be some holes that get enough longer that approach is no longer with one of those three wedges, and if Bubbadork, by his game play game style does not start hitting less greens, as you did/think, then he will use wedges less.

  Oh and since he was talking back tees and less wedges I feel he meant as I have pointed out, less wedge shot for approaches due to longer holes, not wedge play around green, if this is what he meant then again you are incorrect.

  I think clubs and balls are better now than when you made legend, so you were at a disadvantage then to players now. If this is correct you are trying to project your first experience at legend with lower clubs upon someone now with high clubs.

  You are a middle of the pack legend, why do you feel then need to try to project your experience as what has to be and happen to others. It is plain and simply wrong of you to do so.

  Again, my GIR has not dropped at legend but I would not try to tell anyone the same will be for them, they need to make legend, play rounds and find their game their way PERIOD

   

   

   

• piztaker 5,743 Posts

  Thu, Sep 27 2012 9:31 AM

  Cool it guys, does it matter?