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Tue, Oct 2 2012 1:39 PM (10 replies)
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  • LeonDelBosque
    1,551 Posts
    Sat, Sep 29 2012 6:34 AM

    WGT is pretty realistic in many ways, but one thing that is off is the bunkers: Especially fairway bunkers. Apart from BPB, you almost always get 30/40, with the occasional 40/50 (in greenside bunkers). In real life, you get fried eggs, you get balls that are sitting up ... you get lies that are between 0 and 30/40 and more than 40/50 -- around the green. How hard could it be to vary the lies more? In real life you never know what you'll get; it should be the same here.

    The fairway bunker lies on WGT are completely wrong. In real golf, the ball usually buries partway in greenside bunkers because you're hitting high trajectory shots and the ball is coming down at a steep angle. When you hit into fairway bunkers you're almost always hitting a driver or another low-lofted club, so the ball comes in at a low angle, often on a roll; so the ball usually sits up, the lie is clean and you can 'pick' the ball out. You certainly don't get 30/40 lies that allow shots of only 100 or so yards.

    In other words, you should be able to hit out of most fairway bunkers like you can out of the waste bunkers at Kiawah where you get 15/20 lies that take a little distance off and require a clean hit, but nothing more. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see how it would be hard for WGT to change the parameters ... or at least fix it on future courses. 

    So I think, for greenside bunkers -- which aren't bad now -- there should be more variety. Some 25/30 lies, some 20/25s that allow you to get some spin -- and some worse lies too, 60/70. Ideally, the lie you get would partly depend on the shot you hit. A full 60 degree wedge that comes straight down would leave your ball buried, but a 4 iron that bounces in would probably leave you a cleaner lie. The fairway bunkers should be mostly somewhere between 10-30 and allow, often, close to full yardages on, say, mid-irons -- if WGT really wants to be realistic.

  • piztaker
    5,743 Posts
    Sat, Sep 29 2012 9:18 PM

    Good post Leon. The bunkers do need a rethink. It'd be great if they could alter the percentage if the ball rolls in, from if it drops in from a height.

  • MBaggese
    15,378 Posts
    Sat, Sep 29 2012 10:07 PM

    Issue I see is then There is no "penalty" for hitting into a fairway bunker, and birdies would be easy pickings...no more scrambling for pars.

  • Buggyyy
    1,963 Posts
    Sat, Sep 29 2012 10:17 PM

    MBaggese:

    Issue I see is then There is no "penalty" for hitting into a fairway bunker, and birdies would be easy pickings...no more scrambling for pars.

    This isn't completely true. When hitting out of the bunker, you don't nearly as much spin as you would from hitting the fairway. Also, the loft is lower.  Basically, the only way to get close to the pin is to have a good judgement on power.

    If you have a front right pin location with a bunker in front, I don't see any birdies happening there.

  • MBaggese
    15,378 Posts
    Sat, Sep 29 2012 10:53 PM

    True J, but makes for an easy par...not a working mans par,,,i/e hit into a fairway bunker at Oak,,,your 200 out,,,now wedge another 80-100 yards, you still have to make a full shot and sink the putt...if you're able to "hit good" and say put it within 60 yards of the hole (from a good bunker lie)...95% of the time you'll have a tap in putt for par.  

     

    My thinking is if fairway bunkers play like real life, then Bogeys would be minimized and par/birds would be the norm.

    All's good, long as everyone get's the same bounce;)

     

     

  • Choppography
    2,166 Posts
    Tue, Oct 2 2012 8:10 AM

    MBaggese:

    Issue I see is then There is no "penalty" for hitting into a fairway bunker, and birdies would be easy pickings...no more scrambling for pars.

    Good lies in fairway bunkers don't challenge good golfers as much as a semi-decent lie in the 1st cut of rough....provided there isn't some huge lip to carry at 190yds.

    This bunkering does need work.  When my ball rolls 20yds down a fairway only to trickle into a sand trap, it shouldn't draw a 30/40 bunker lie.  I can't roll into a footprint every single time this happens.

    Around the greens, I get it.  But, the truly brutal lies should be less frequent than a decent lie.  Again, weekend hacks have trouble with sand.....many pros aim for the sand to avoid the rough, especially on US Open setups.

  • opyeuclid
    6,710 Posts
    Tue, Oct 2 2012 8:29 AM

    Anotherbogey4me:

    the game is not about realism , it's all about getting your money. Nothing realistic about this site, its just a scam. 

    You are a piece of work . After looking at your profile and your blogs ,

    If you dont like the game , Dont play , Or just go away !

    My name is OPY and I am a forum troll

  • jld51
    406 Posts
    Tue, Oct 2 2012 8:45 AM

    opyeuclid:

    After looking at your profile and your blogs ,

    If you dont like the game , Dont play , Or just go away !

    +1

  • thebigeasy707
    5,885 Posts
    Tue, Oct 2 2012 9:09 AM

    easiest solution and works well is just avoid bunkers :)

    tbe

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