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Wed, Oct 24 2012 5:15 AM (118 replies)
  • TWOMINUSONE
    2,580 Posts
    Thu, Oct 11 2012 3:17 PM

    hyena64:

    TWOMINUSONE:
    According to U.S. Patent 7806777 WGT DOES have the capability

    That sir, is the attempt to state a fact.  

    Then in a later post you say: "But if this can be done to alter the game, and to better reflect my skill levels, then it can be open to abuse if you ask me".

    Self contradiction. 

    Thanks Hyena, this is where it all fell apart with me and Pizza. That actual quote was a copy and paste from another post in this same thread, which has now been removed. I made the mistake of not quoting it, but i did highlight it to show it was from someone else. My mistake. . That is why you see a different line of thought in the next paragraph. No self contradiction my man, just a mis-understanding. 

  • WGTpizza
    1,656 Posts
    Thu, Oct 11 2012 3:21 PM

    TWOMINUSONE:
    No self contradiction my man, just a mis-understanding.

    Yes, we came to this conclusion through private messages, and I can confirm this is what happened. Misunderstandings will happen when communicating through text and I commend TWOMINUSONE for having the humility and patience to explain the situation to me. Nothing to see here, folks :p

     

    Stay classy,

    -WGTpizza

  • Richard4168
    4,309 Posts
    Thu, Oct 11 2012 4:49 PM

    overtheedge:
    This was a Topic I brought to life BECAUSE, I didn't fully understand IF and WHY equipment could., can , or is adjusted on an individual basis. I now see that this is a Topic that most will NOT  fully understand unless you, me, we are a part of the WGT cooperation. Even then you, me ,we may still not fully understand

    Thank you Jeff for understanding that I was only trying to corral this from every angle. Its like trying to catch a greased pig so to speak. lol!

    I'm sincerely trying to understand this topic, and/or how to answer it. I personally thought it was answered in the last thread, but it appears the question(s) still remain.

    Here goes:

    There's no question WGT can mess with an individuals game and/or equipment, whether WGT wants to admit it or not.

    Now, the next question is, will they do this? I say no (my opinion), WGT would never do this.

    This begs the third question, why would WGT want to mess with an individuals equipment? I don't think WGT is that hard up for revenue, IMO. Among other things.

    This is an intriguing topic of discussion Jeff.

  • WGTpizza
    1,656 Posts
    Thu, Oct 11 2012 5:02 PM

    Richard4168:
    This begs the third question, why would WGT want to mess with an individuals equipment? I don't think WGT is that hard up for revenue, IMO. Among other things.

    Heh, I can concur that WGT is not so desperate for funding that they would consider such shady activities to gain profit. Then again, that opinion is left for the consumer to decide on. All we have is our word, and you have it.

     

    Stay classy,

    -WGTpizza

  • GlassMan27
    573 Posts
    Thu, Oct 11 2012 7:21 PM

    Thanks for the classy reply.

    WGTpizza:
    This is boiling down to company ethics, and whether or not our player base believes our stance or not

    For the record, I would have quit playing here a long time ago if I ever truly believed I was not provided with a level playing field on which to compete. Unfortunately, the only problem I have is my personal lack of ability. 

    WGTpizza:
    WGT has not, does not and will not manipulate individual players' equipment, nor will we enable players to manipulate their individual equipment performance.

    So, based on your comments throughout this thread... am I correct in assuming that in no way, shape, or form VEM being utilized on this site?

    Stay Glassy,

    -Eric

  • Richard4168
    4,309 Posts
    Thu, Oct 11 2012 9:51 PM

    GlassMan27:
    So, based on your comments throughout this thread... am I correct in assuming that in no way, shape, or form VEM being utilized on this site?

    Good question and it's the one question every 'serious' WGT member has waited to see answered from WGTadmin. Its way passed due, and MisterWGT should answer this question once and for all. The discussion has gone on too long. The VEM patent exists, no doubt, why not as a company (WGT) just admit if this patented feature exists in the game or not?

  • chrisironsbones
    3,524 Posts
    Fri, Oct 12 2012 1:23 AM

    This debate is exactly what i've been noticing when playing ready go's, take past monday, there was a combination of me playing poorly, missing ding on wind side etc etc, clubs that normally go a certain distance would over shoot or undershoot by 6+ yards and this kept happening in 4 or 5 ready go's, and the majority I just withdrew from and played blitz instead.  I decide to enter 1 last ready go, and i was playing pathetically (had stomach bug so wasn't on top of my game) on 2 holes i missed the ding by halfway between the ding and far right line, yet still landed 2 yards from pin, other holes i would miss on wind side (usually I would land 8 yards left, but again landed within 1 yard) 2 holes i landed within 2 yards, the rest i was landing within 1 or 0 yards.  Same with putting, i missed ding a few times on the break side and ball should have missed wide, but went on its own straight line directly for cup.  I couldn't believe i won a ready go having played so poorly but it seemed to be on a HOT ROUND autopilot.  I doubt its to do with the clubs individually, but the actual round itself might have been implemented as a "boost of confidence" or as a balancer to all the previous "bad" rounds.  It probably happens to us all, some notice it more than others.  

     

    EDIT:

    Since writing the above i've come to the conclusion that the whole set up is "fixed" anyway tournament wise and there's definitely score limitation on rounds, I.e: If the hot rounds have all been taken up  then its a score limtation, deviation effected round for the rest.  I had total proof after playing the $10 ready go at St Andrews, landing within 2 yards every hole and would have got -9 apart from a 5 foot putt on #6 which i aimed at pin, slight left to right break, yet ball went LEFT of pin, and on #8 the break had absolutely no effect, when i know from previous putts in that place ball turns in towards hole. -7 for front,  Back 9 i had several approaches which wind had no effect whether it being left to right or headwind, and even if i did land within 3 yards on a hole, the resulting break would have no effect on the ball, i even posted a replay of the types of shots i was getting, i play this punch shot hundreds of times, i underhit it at 41 yards, knowing it will stretch to 43 or 44, here i get 49 yards all of a sudden!!! and i even aim way left for the resulting putt, and guess what it starts off from the pin, not where i moved marker.  3 birdies for back 9 of St Andrews, WHAT A JOKE and it was comical seeing the difference in the front and back, and this to me prove we're NOT in control of our rounds, and although it was the clubs people were discussing for individual players, ITS NOT, its the rounds themselves

    On all the easy birdie holes on back 9, the wind did not effect ball, and just to make sure i'm only allowed a par, the resulting putt would take its own line and break would have no effect.  This shows me that although people think wgt might "alter" individual clubs (doubt it) but Ready go's, YES, (but it could have been you who entered this ready go instead of me, so it could have been you who lost $$, i was just the unlucky 1 at the time.  EXACTLY same thing happened last time i entered $10 ready go "score limitation" was in play and i got an embarrasing 63, but next day when i entered i came 2nd or 3rd with those "hot" rounds, or maybe just a NORMAL ROUND so i guarantee when i enter same tournament tomorrow i will either be in top 3 or at least double my $$ (unless a WGT staff reads this and gives me full on deviation all day)

    So after all that preaching, bottom line is when we enter a tournament its not an even playing field for every one as some might get a hot round and others funny wind which doesn't effect ball, or clubs seem wrong in other words your destined to loose $$ from the start.  Fair?? No WAY, but its what we have to put up with and just hope we get a NORMAL round next time.  This is more like online casino than a fair even field golf game.  I'll get the 2's & 3's round while you get the 2 x Aces (Poker wise.lol)

    My previous ready go was at Cabo, i would have scored a 56 (if i parred 18) but instead i press early and land on the shelf and double bogey and score 58.  yes i was disappointed i "could" have scored at least 56, but again HAPPY because the round was decided by MY MISTAKE, what it should be, not by WGT and the bum rounds/shots it dishes out at times.

  • cadillac1961
    268 Posts
    Fri, Oct 12 2012 4:15 AM

    Sometimes i imagine that WGT is like a comb that pulls in all directions. As an online-Shop in the wrong tools were installed. Tools there are thousands of them on the market. Only to find the right, and not to make them selves depend, is not easy.

     

    gr...Cad61

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