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• TWOMINUSONE 2,580 Posts

  Mon, Oct 15 2012 7:26 AM

  Thats true Glassman, and i also thought that other members may not want others to see how they played the shot in the 1st place. I cant see it happen to be honest.

• Ffudd 2,541 Posts

  Mon, Oct 15 2012 7:45 AM

  GlassMan27:

  There is simply nothing to gain from WGT's standpoint by allowing us to see the shot we actually hit.

  I would imagine there would be a big drop in the number of bug reports from people who realised they had used the wrong club / spin.

  As I say I saw the post and I'm pretty sure it came from WGT as something they were going to introduce rather than a request from a player so presumably they must see some benefit in doing it.

  TWOMINUSONE:

  Thats true Glassman, and i also thought that other members may not want others to see how they played the shot in the 1st place. I cant see it happen to be honest.

  I guess it would only be visible to WGT and the person who made the replay - the same way your credits are blanked out if I watch your replay.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Mon, Oct 15 2012 8:19 AM

  GlassMan27:

  Agreed X2. The thing is... what would WGT gain by providing this option? The way it is now, every WTF shot can be blamed on user error. "Maybe you didn't adjust enough for the wind, maybe you missed your ding, maybe you hit the wrong club, maybe you used way to much power, etc...." If all the shot variables were displayed on the replay, there would be no way to explain away the shot where you executed the shot properly but just got VEM'd. Which would open the door to the "why did my shot go haywire while player B's shot went where he hit it?" argument. Which is a very valid argument when credits are on the line. There is simply nothing to gain from WGT's standpoint by allowing us to see the shot we actually hit.

  And this is why we get a helicopter camera view instead of the usual reverse view on putts to "hide" the evidence.  Earlier at St Andrews i had a 6 foot putt which i sink all the time, decent right to left break, but as long as you aim a cm right of pin you will sink it, today i dinged putt but ball left putter face on a angle which was nothing like i had aimed more like 80 degrees and on top the break had no effect either.  I couldn't believe what i witnessed (watching in reverse view as it happened) and as i knew as soon as i watched replay, the initial reverse view of the WTF putt had conveniently been replaced by a helicopter view and the front view too was a completely different putting line to what i had witnessed ( front view skimmed the hole instead of the 2 or 3 feet wide i saw in reverse view).  YET, if i had miss read the break, or hit the putt short 100% I would have had a REVERSE view camera angle when watching the replay again.  To me its like your putt has been deviated and WGT are hiding the evidence of the un-natural line or no break by giving us a helicopter view instead of the normal reverse view.  In simple terms, deviation on putt = helicopter view on camera 2, you f'k up = reverse view on camera 2

  Anyway, one things for certain, no one's going to ever admit to a bad shot ever again: "it wasn't me who missed the ding by an inch, it must have been VEM"..lol

• GlassMan27 573 Posts

  Mon, Oct 15 2012 8:22 AM

  Ffudd:

  As I say I saw the post and I'm pretty sure it came from WGT as something they were going to introduce rather than a request from a player so presumably they must see some benefit in doing it

  I had no idea this was something they were considering. Good news, I guess.

  Ffudd:

  I guess it would only be visible to WGT and the person who made the replay

  I guess I don't understand why it wouldn't be visible to anyone viewing the replay. It would be a great tool allowing experienced players to help noobs with shots they don't understand. And would also allow everyone to see that one is not talking out their hindquarters when they post a replay proclaiming they got shafted by the game.

• Ffudd 2,541 Posts

  Mon, Oct 15 2012 8:47 AM

  Your guess is as good as mine :-)

  I still can't find the post, I thought it might be in one of the MisterWGT chats but can't see it. Maybe it was all a Dallas Daydream and JR is still alive.

• couldofbeenpga 47 Posts

  Wed, Oct 17 2012 5:43 PM

  I don't have the CEO waiting for me to talk to him. He is a very busy man, and fortunately he cares enough about the community to stop what he was doing and explain this situation that I was not clear on.

  I promise I got the answers as soon as I could, and I hope these "factual answers" have earned some trust :)

  I understand you don't have the CEO waiting to talk to you. I was merely trying to get you and probably all of your wgt monitors, that when there is a legitamate question raised in the forums, that if you people dont know the answer, don't insult us with alot of canned WGT rhetoric, "factual answers" are usually the best answers.I think you have been sofar the only one who has said "I don't know but i will try to get an answer"  Don't get me wrong some of the answers that are offered are quite amusing given the questions (icon) But don't treat us like were still in kindergarten, althought there are some exceptions I am sure :)   WE THE PEOPLE are a small reason WGT is in business, without us playing and most of us PAYING, things might not be as lucritive for Mr WGT and his employees, I think we deserve factual answers to our intelligent questions when we ask them. or have Mr. WGT contact me at XXXX.XXXXXXX@biowear.com   we will talk  lol 

• bubbadork 984 Posts

  Wed, Oct 17 2012 6:09 PM

  I don't like everything.  I do know some things.  The interface with the public performs, or hunts a new job.  The person behind the cash register takes money and makes change. They don't make important decisions.  Get real.  Weigh things, then take it or leave it.

  I really don't know where to draw the line between undue whining and constructive criticism.  I DO know that anyone can leave, and the door will probably not bruise their ass on the way out.

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Thu, Oct 18 2012 12:03 PM

  WGTpizza:

  Whenever we exercise our right to change clubs and/or balls given to us by this patent, we do so unilaterally, and we tell the community about it. The only reasons we would do this is for balancing or bug correcting purposes.

  Where are these announcements made? I haven't seen any announcement the accuracy of the R11 Lvl 90+ has changed. Even though it has.

  Can you point me to it please?

  Thanks

  Darin

• WGTpizza 1,656 Posts

  Thu, Oct 18 2012 1:17 PM

  DarSum:

  Where are these announcements made? I haven't seen any announcement the accuracy of the R11 Lvl 90+ has changed. Even though it has.

  Well apparently you are receiving information from my bosses that I'm not!

  I have no official word of this item changing. To answer your question, whenever we release an update that changes existing equipment, we make sure to announce it.

   

  Stay classy,

  -WGTpizza

• bubbadork 984 Posts

  Thu, Oct 18 2012 2:01 PM

  The probability that players are being told something that you are not being told is very small. The probability that you are not being told of every change is considerably larger.

  It is entirely possible to detect that a change has been made, to a high degree of probability, by collecting a statistically significant set of numbers.

  I'm not talking about the precision or forgiveness numbers associated with various pieces of equipment.  Those will definitely, numerically, lead to the occasional WTF shot and a number of lesser bad shots.  I'm talking about longer term changes that will inevitably become apparent when a suitably large number of measurements reveal a significant change in mean values.

  This is not the place to discuss statistics: I know plenty of statisticians who don't understand what they think they know. The fact remains that a large collection of numbers often reveals trends with a high degree of probability (but never certainty).

  Dinking with sweet spots or gusts or anything else will inevitably show up if the variations persist for long enough.  Thank goodness.  Otherwise, one couldn't control the quality of a product without paying to measure every single instance of every single part.