Yea the hard way. Last night during a practice round I got a ten on one whole. But one has to break a few eggs to make an omlet. I was shooting from the blacks with the highest wind setting. After 6 shots down the far right of the fairway on the par 5 mostly going from bunker to bunker,the wind really came into play around the green. I purposely skyed the green twice to get a feel for the wind in both directions. On my third attempt to get back on the green I used a 9 from about 5 yds off the green with a total of 55' to the pin and with a 3/4 punch shot , allot of backspin,1/4' off the ding to the right in a heavy rough to 1.1 ft of the pin. But if I had a good lie off the green I found hitting the ding on these type of shots was the way to go no matter the shot selection. Man, talk about variables.