Ok 180yrd hit 4mpr wind to the right marked it 2yrds to the lift ding the hit ball 190 with full back spin goes 20 yrd to the right ok heres one more 50yrd full shot at the pin up 10" 6 mpr head wind hit 50 with 3/4 back spin the ball hit 1 yrd from hole the ball rolls 5yrds up hill come on WGT this is getting old!!!!!!