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I seriously doubt that it will matter

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Thu, Feb 7 2013 12:52 PM (44 replies)
  • courteneyfish
    15,796 Posts
    Tue, Feb 5 2013 9:27 PM

    There are no cheating devices.

  • Ecka65
    245 Posts
    Tue, Feb 5 2013 11:01 PM

    courteneyfish:

    There are no cheating devices.

     

    Do you mean there are actually devices to monitor for cheating?

    Or, God forbid, that in your erstwhile opinion there is no way to cheat the game?

    With your time here I'm presuming the first.

     

  • courteneyfish
    15,796 Posts
    Tue, Feb 5 2013 11:15 PM

    Erstwhile means former. If you know of any cheats then feel free to divulge them.

  • Ecka65
    245 Posts
    Tue, Feb 5 2013 11:58 PM

    Yes!  Your opinion is soon to be a former opinion!

    The way I see it the game has two parts:

    1.  Being able to work out the shot needed which can be learnt from the forum and experience.

    2.  Executing the shot by clicking the mouse when best to do so, be that early, late, a bit early or late, or on the "ding".

    I am not aware nor can I imagine Part 1 being "cheatable".

    Part 2 however opens up all sorts of possibilities:

    The "difficulty" of Part 2 is timing the click and the faster the meter goes the more difficult.  Hence why WGT offers balls with "feel" - to "legally" slow the meter down at a price.

    But is a high feel ball the ONLY way to slow the meter down?  No.  Most well known and readily searchable and downloadable programs used for (among other things) making mods for games and testing games and programs (and often used by cheats) come with ready built "speed hacks" which one can use to speed up or slow down games.  Including web based online flash games.

    Some have macro's or small programs that can be used to click the mouse for you - again another handy test tool when trying to find bugs.  But once again, they can be used to cheat.  For example, a game that requires you to repeat a task over and over with a mouse click can be "programmed" with an "auto clicker" so that that task can be done automatically.

    So, presuming all players with equal experience can probably figure out the shot / drive / putt needed, the one thing that can seperate such a group is those who "click best" and those that miss some.  The cheat looks for an unfair advantage so either slows the meter down (making an accurate click easier) or uses a "click bot" to make the mouse click for the cheat at the right spot on the meter (be it late, early or ding as required.)

    Thus, the cheat will tend to always be in the group that "clicked best".

     

  • courteneyfish
    15,796 Posts
    Wed, Feb 6 2013 12:21 AM

    So no divulgence then? Or proof that they work.

  • barbarella24
    513 Posts
    Wed, Feb 6 2013 12:29 AM

    Ecka65:

    But is a high feel ball the ONLY way to slow the meter down?  No.  Most well known and readily searchable and downloadable programs used for (among other things) making mods for games and testing games and programs (and often used by cheats) come with ready built "speed hacks" which one can use to speed up or slow down games.  Including web based online flash games.

    Some have macro's or small programs that can be used to click the mouse for you - again another handy test tool when trying to find bugs.  But once again, they can be used to cheat.  For example, a game that requires you to repeat a task over and over with a mouse click can be "programmed" with an "auto clicker" so that that task can be done automatically.

    So, presuming all players with equal experience can probably figure out the shot / drive / putt needed, the one thing that can seperate such a group is those who "click best" and those that miss some.  The cheat looks for an unfair advantage so either slows the meter down (making an accurate click easier) or uses a "click bot" to make the mouse click for the cheat at the right spot on the meter (be it late, early or ding as required.)

    Thus, the cheat will tend to always be in the group that "clicked best".

    Again, someone talks about cheat programs without actually showing the proof. Show me where to download the programs, show me the websites, show me the autoclicker, show me the 'click bot', show your readily searchable results, show me the money...I'm not saying you are incorrect, I am saying prove it, don't talk about it.

     

  • Ecka65
    245 Posts
    Wed, Feb 6 2013 12:39 AM

    courteneyfish:

    So no divulgence then? Or proof that they work.

    I fail to see how or why they wouldn't work. 

    It might be possible at WGT's end to somehow monitor an individual game to "check speed of play" but I would imagine with loads of people playing that would be pretty resource intensive - and to be honest probably not worth it to them.  It might also affect the game play negatively and end with more problems than it solved.

    My 14 y.o son informs me that some sites have found ways to defeat "auto clickers" but they are more for games with repeated clicking rather than individual precision clicks like WGT.  They monitor things like "clicks per second" ect which wouldn't help WGT.

     

     

  • Ecka65
    245 Posts
    Wed, Feb 6 2013 12:46 AM

    barbarella24:

    Again, someone talks about cheat programs without actually showing the proof. Show me where to download the programs, show me the websites, show me the autoclicker, show me the 'click bot', show your readily searchable results, show me the money...I'm not saying you are incorrect, I am saying prove it, don't talk about it.

    I'm the sort of person that respects rules and plays by them.  If you knew the rules (terms and conditions) of WGT you'd know why the things you ask for can't be provided.

    Posting Etiquette

    WGT asks that you respect our on-line community and other individuals. When posting Submissions to or otherwise using the Site and/or the services, you agree not to:

    Promote or conduct any illegal activity, including hacking or cracking

    Use or distribute "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility" software program or applications.

     

    Indeed, I'd say to you "there's your proof".  If these things didn't exist and / or didn't work WGT wouldn't refer to them or ban their use or distribution.

     

  • barbarella24
    513 Posts
    Wed, Feb 6 2013 12:48 AM

    Cop-out. Ok then send them to WGT and myself via the supplied messaging system. Deal? No mention on the forum, no rules broken. It can now be provided.

  • Ecka65
    245 Posts
    Wed, Feb 6 2013 12:57 AM

    Well that is an interesting response.

    Firstly, I'm way ahead of you having made reports of my concerns (and identifying sites and programs) to WGT starting in 2011.

    Secondly, why would YOU want them?

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