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And the fleecing continues...

Wed, Mar 6 2013 4:28 PM (56 replies)
  • alanti
    10,564 Posts
    Wed, Mar 6 2013 1:22 PM

    mohaviegreen:
    C'mon WGT , give us a hand. We honest players want to keep this site honest. Remember WGT, this sight also reflects on the sportsmanship,integrity, honor, edicate of the game of Golf. This should not be just another gambling sight.

    Well put, but sadly when there is opportunity, there are opportunists. Call them what you want, I prefer naming them leeches as they suck genuine players credits and suck all the life out of what is a great game. I played Movie ages ago, and is a good guy and feel sorry that you ran across one of these leeches. But they are the minority IMO but with any credit match, best advice is Caveat Emptor.

    Btw, congrats on making legend - you can hit me up for a game anytime - but not for credits, just fun

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Wed, Mar 6 2013 1:40 PM

    pipeman1370:

    Guys I'm ready for a class action suit on  WGT for imposing this VEM  on use to n=mess up our shot for the purpose of forcing us to buy more equipment or leave the game entirely. I have been playing all day and almost every shot has either gone way over the distance or fallin' way short. I 've had it with these assholes who like to screw up a game and I think its time to make them pay. 

    Played bad "all day" then get mad at others. Nice.

    Class action suit..... lol

  • alanti
    10,564 Posts
    Wed, Mar 6 2013 2:12 PM

    Oldbayrunner:

    From the T&C's you agreed to

    You acknowledge and agree that that in the course of providing this dynamic environment, WGT will, without providing notice, be making ongoing modifications and improvements to the Game Software from time to time in the course of the operation and development of the Site. Such changes may affect the performance and interaction of individual components of the games, performance of virtual items, contests and challenges available on the Site.

    Sorry for a change I disagree with OBR here.

    Pipe has no beef to grind about VEM, it is his own inability to master the game. Come on, after 1454 RR, level 90 (and still master) something and poor stats this has nothing to do with any tweaks in the game. You cant tell me that VEM has caused his game to head South. it was there anyway.

    Par 3's, 4's and 5's are all over regulation, scrambling and putting stats, let alone his GIR stats are poor,  just do not back him up. And for amusement every post he makes is negative, never comes and asks, please help me, my game sucks, what can I do?

  • alosso
    21,088 Posts
    Wed, Mar 6 2013 2:39 PM

    Braidan1218:

    alosso:

    Braidan1218:
    I think this would be a tremendous help to just have a pinned forum where we can post who we believe to be dishonest

    Do you know that you are advocating cybermobbing?

    ??

    I just meant that just like we can give our opinions on clubs/putters/balls why can't we give an opinion on a player?

    If an opinion is thought to be wrong the player can defend it and the mods can remove and/or ban the original poster.

    IMHO, any negative opinion on a person published in the internet is comparable to a verdict of worldwide effect, and there is hardly a way to reverse it once the search engines have copied it.

    Should anybody be allowed to utter such "opinion" without a common and proven measure? Should anybody be allowed to utter false accusations due to personal objections to the other? Should anybody be allowed to do so anonymosly and without proof or with false proof? How would you ensure that the accused is informed for his defense? How should adequate power of speech be ensured - in which language? Should the community be bothered with discussions and flamewars about accusations and defense? Who would be qualified to judge on this? Do you think a company which publishes an online game aiming for profit should allow this or invest money for this?

    Do you know that people have been killed and others have killed themselves because of cybermobbing? Do you want this to happen here or even to come close to realisation?

    I have been in the thick of flamewars and believe me, I'm glad that it doesn't happen here.

    There is a "no naming, no shaming" policy in effect here, and this I support 100%. It may protect a few people from correct accusations of their abuse, but it protects all of us from the negative impact of abusive accusations.

    This is good!

  • PUHOLINO
    1,189 Posts
    Wed, Mar 6 2013 2:52 PM

    alosso:
    IMHO, any negative opinion on a person published in the internet is comparable to a verdict of worldwide effect, and there is hardly a way to reverse it once the search engines have copied it.

     

    +1

    alosso:
    There is a "no naming, no shaming" policy in effect here, and this I support 100%. It may protect a few people from correct accusations of their abuse, but it protects all of us from the negative impact of abusive accusations.
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    Agreed again. I'm guilty of dropping "hints" at times and although I was correct in 99% of these cases, I was wrong once and that sucked  big time for that person (I humbly apologized) and for me as well. It doesn't feel good when you falsly accuse someone or be accused yourself.

    Although, I think we all agree that in the case of this prolific m/a we're currently discussing, the evidence is clear and overwhelming enough to be able to present things not only as accusations, but as proven facts.

    Edit: About the player in question, I've narrowed down the origin of his past and current army of accounts to 2 IDs and the only reason why I'm not yet 100% sure which is the one is the fact that I'm not 100% sure that they're both actually not the same person.

  • alanti
    10,564 Posts
    Wed, Mar 6 2013 2:56 PM

    alosso:
    There is a "no naming, no shaming" policy in effect here, and this I support 100%. It may protect a few people from correct accusations of their abuse, but it protects all of us from the negative impact of abusive accusations.

    +1

    It is way to easy to start malicious rumors that well may be unfounded (like losing a M/P match). Innocent until proven guilty, so gather proof and let the justice system work.

  • TarheelsRule
    5,594 Posts
    Wed, Mar 6 2013 2:57 PM

    Darn TBE you have opened up a new potential revenue source for WGT.

    In terms of what happens here, the comments are correct, this doesn't cost WGT anything it is all about who should have won the credits not how many were paid out.  In a 200 credit ready go there are 50 players and 10,000 credits in the pot less the WGT take which reduces the pot, still the same number of winners and losers (well WGT always makes out the same too) but it is all about how the wealth is distributed.  Under the Obama plan all the players who have credits get nothing regardless of finish and the players who are credit poor get distributed the credits.

    Under the European plan everyone gets back their credits less the take of the government.  Under the evil GOP plan, the people who play the hardest get more credits and those who play badly get nothing.

    Under the Hugo Chavez plan, one guy comes in and steals most of the credits from the other players and promises that he will give them to the poor.

    In seriousness this is a problem.  I avoid the stroke play ready goes and play the CTTH ones where all is equal (probably since my putting sucks might be why as well).  I can see how a master ready go with a guy firing a 28 every round would set people off.

  • PUHOLINO
    1,189 Posts
    Wed, Mar 6 2013 3:04 PM

    TarheelsRule:
    I can see how a master ready go with a guy firing a 28 every round would set people off.

     

    Perhaps not, if that master is 6 months or a year "old", but if they see a 3 weeks old master killing the field, they should be peeved. And most of us SHOULD care about that, but that's just 1 person's opinion.

  • Steve2golf
    930 Posts
    Wed, Mar 6 2013 3:19 PM

    PUHOLINO:

    Although, I think we all agree that in the case of this prolific m/a we're currently discussing, the evidence is clear and overwhelming enough to be able to present things not only as accusations, but as proven facts.

    We need to be careful here, once you cast the net, some retard tends to cast it to wide.

    We are unable to collect enough data to be deemed proof, individuals can only collect enough data to be considered suspicious at best, and certainly not proof of anything.

    Shooting the first round as a hack under par on day 1 is suspicious, not proof.

    Lots of people will play as a guest as they do not trust any web-site with their personal information, and while I might agree it is unlikely that an individual would play a significant amount of time as a guest, it is possible.

    So once you draw the line to determine your proof, determine the line, is it 1 day, 10, days 30 days, 90 days till someone can break par, where exactly is the line. Certainly the line changes based on the individuals history.

    WGT has the info now, they have the tools, let them do their duty.

    I already responded in another thread whereby some retard tried to name and shame a legitimate player, just sayin, care is needed, that's all. In that case the player had only played 3 months and the accuser 3 years. However upon further inspection, the player had played more in 3 months then the accuser had in 3 years.

    I think most people would agree, that a player who plays 30 plus ranked rounds per day for 3 months, would develop skills faster then someone who played 1 round per day for 3 years. Simple measurement of time is not enough. But further in that case, the accused played ranked rounds, if the accused had only played practice rounds, as many do early on, they would of been buried under the net to the point of suffocation.

    Just be careful out there, we are not able to collect near enough data to determine anything other than suspicion.

     

     

     

  • PUHOLINO
    1,189 Posts
    Wed, Mar 6 2013 3:41 PM

    Steve2golf:
    We are unable to collect enough data to be deemed proof, individuals can only collect enough data to be considered suspicious at best, and certainly not proof of anything.

     

    A lot of times what you're saying is true, but not in this case. The trail of IDs that registered through "invite friends" feature shows in detail the connection between those account and so does the gifting and the content of other people's bags. But the trail of automatic friendships in activities is solid evidence, at least in this case (grant you, not in all cases). Anyone with 5 minutes of spare time can come to the same conclusion.

    Steve2golf:
    I already responded in another thread whereby some retard tried to name and shame a legitimate player, just sayin, care is needed, that's all. In that case the player had only played 3 months and the accuser 3 years. However upon further inspection, the player had played more in 3 months then the accuser had in 3 years.

     

    I was in fact the first person who told off that person for being that clueless with his accusations.

    Steve2golf:
    We need to be careful here, once you cast the net, some retard tends to cast it too wide.

     

    And you're 100% correct here, there are (unfortunately) many people throwing around unsubstantiated accusations. Btw, the OP is one of them, but he was correct in this case.

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