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• HRPUTTNSTUFF 15 Posts

  Tue, May 21 2013 7:43 PM

  well i play this game every day for almost 3 yrs now and I see all these people in the tourneys shooting 26 27 or 58 57 but yet I never see these players outside of the tourneys and that is very odd to me why is it that tourneys are the only place and time they shoot those scores their are cheaters and everyone should get a grip and understand that if people can hack in to your facebook page and the cia and all these other places I know WGT doesnt have any way to stop them and I was actually given a cheat program by a certain player I know and I dont cheat my scores prove that but I do know for a fact you can cheat going thru the back door somehow its a internet world anyone with computer programming knowledge can cheat at any game including WGT they can make your game a living hell how do you think they make their money their sure not making any money off those shooting 58s in the tourneys dont take much to hit the ball lmao see ya later dont be so naive people WGT changes game to make you have to spend money on it and their are plenty of ways to do it 

• KissMyDivot 626 Posts

  Tue, May 21 2013 8:03 PM

  unreal.

• Steve2golf 930 Posts

  Tue, May 21 2013 8:28 PM

  BubbaCrusher007:

  That's the proof, that it lagged for too long or whited out too long and he had to have an auto-dinger?

  Don't forget the 2 good shots as well.

• FBudd 208 Posts

  Tue, May 21 2013 11:07 PM

  FBudd:

  Ok so i havent had time to read the entire thread but let me just put my two cents in and if anyone has covered it i am sorry!

  For WGT to 'do something' about cheating in this game their only option is to create a third party program that runs along side Java and your browser, either taking random screen prints or detecting specific things running on your computer, both will be costly and time consuming and create a whole new raft on technical problems which they already have enough off, and lord knows they dont like doing anything with money unless its coming in from ball sales, they like doing that.

  The only common sense thing they can do is re-write the swing bar code to make it more stable, i myself have seriously considered researching these auto dingers after losing ball after ball from a frozen or choppy swing meter.

  Of course, WGT have their standard response, its you, not us. I believe it until i ran a series of tests which included 4 different desktop computers, 2 laptops, 6 dfferent versions of flash on 4 different internet connections, 50% of tests ran with resource monitor open the other 50 ran with NOTHING but the game window open,

  The result: inconclusive.. why? Because it is random, it attacks at moments when there is nothing running, resources are barely used and the internet is working fine, then other times when there is more load on worse machines it is fine for an hour then it will attack.

  I believe the choppyness of the meter is caused by slow upload speeds from WGT servers, the game is stuttering while trying to retrieve data, it cannot be proven unless WGT show us some bandwidth statistics and we start recording dates and times of choppyness.

  
  So, in closing, if WGT want to stop auto dingers, or a vast majority of them, create a better sing meter, upgrade your servers, or create a stand alone game running on a decent game engine.

   

   

  No one seemed to think this was a valid question or? I think its quiet a good reason to explain the meter going choppy.. can WGT answer this?? I think choppy meter would be a big reason people get auto dingers..

• russellfahey 4,286 Posts

  Wed, May 22 2013 4:29 AM

  TeacHa:

  russellfahey:

  Steve2golf:

  russellfahey:

  Example i was playing someone who refused  to play a 60 second clock,she took on average 6-9 seconds a shot,yet the 2 times the whiteout method went to 19 seconds she almost holed out both times leaving it 1ft from pin.So is that not suspect??

  Must be a cheater, made 2 good shots, and did not wish to play 60 second clock.

  In MPC there are always lag issues, that has to be the dumbest method to start calling someone a cheater. I have played plenty of MPC and have witnessed hundreds of times both of us chatting waiting for the shot to occur after the swing and the click as happened.

  Just like you have now done, WGTLS has all these stupid criteria to determine if someone is cheating.

  Humor me, what cheat method is there exactly that would give someone a shot to 1 foot?

  The people labeling all these people as cheaters based on this stupid criteria, are WACKO'S.

  Lets go back to Icons post as regards holding the meter which has been restricted to 15 seconds,so if it whiteouts for longer then yes they are using something.Example i was playing someone who refused  to play a 60 second clock,she took on average 6-9 seconds a shot,yet the 2 times the whiteout method went to 19 seconds she almost holed out both times leaving it 1ft from pin.So is that not suspect??

  Try using the whole paragraph next time not picking the bits out of it to make your point!! if the total time to hold meter is 15 seconds,how the hell can someone whiteout for 19secs and don't give me that bs about lag,as i've had lag myself.Plus the fact i never said everyone 1 cheats but there are cheat software out there.

  Now you humour me where did you come up with the idea that some players hack into the system to control the VEM on there round where's your proof?? You sound more of a WACKO than me m8 i assure you.

  We could have a slanging Steve but that was never my intention i just had to respond to your ramblings about WGTLS Wacko's and having listened to your ramblings on the WGT forum in the past i had to say my piece.

  Happy swinging

  Russell

  VS. Legend 29 - 84
  
  must be a lot of cheaters out there against you, ugh...

  suspect for taking time on some shots, hillarious!
  
  I sometimes go smoke inbetween strokes when its 90/60s and then come back when clock is low, am I cheating then if I hit a good shot in a hurry? Ha!

  Lol so you see my mp stats and assume i'm crying foul?? not by a long chalk! Plus i only played these games as a warm up and didn't give a rats ass of the outcome.Oh and for your information this happened during an alt shot match on WGTLS and my playing partner noticed the same thing no mp anywhere in sight. I was only commenting on the fact that there are cheats out there,and not all the bs about this only being made up on WGTLS,there are plenty of threads here on WGT showing cheat engines.Most of those games were just mp scored i very rarely play for credits.If you actually read my post on whiteout properly it doesn't matter how long you take before playing your shot,it;s the time it takes from when you start your backswing and the menu greys out!!

  I have never questioned any of the players who have posted low scores in the open qualifier, like i said a friend of mine hit a 56 on his 2nd go,and i know he doesn't cheat he's just that good!

  Russell

   

• russellfahey 4,286 Posts

  Wed, May 22 2013 5:10 AM

  Edit: In case it is not obvious, some people hold it at the top and/or let it run through multiple times before making the click.

  Yes it is obvious Steve, but when you let the meter runs through the menu's 1st 5 lines return to white in colour,it only remains grey in colour when the backswing is in motion.

   Also the 2 shots i mentioned that ended up 1ft from the pin was to highlight my point of most of there shot times only took about 6 seconds except for the these 2 which took 19 seconds both times when the menu tab had turned grey,and as Icon has stated the maximum time you can hold the meter is 15 seconds max how can these 2 shots in question take 19 seconds?.Surely it's not that hard to comprehend what i'm saying?.

   I said i didn't want to turn this into a slanging match,but you seem to keep piping up when someone mentions something about a theory i was told on WGTLS.Now my question to you,i'm referring to your post about some players hack into the WGT system to turn off the VEM,can you please elaborate on this and tell me the proof you have found to make such a statement,i await in bated breath :)

  Russell

  VEM

  EDIT just to refresh your memory here is the link to your post about VEM hacking.

  
  

  Russell

   

• 783 Posts

  Wed, May 22 2013 9:17 AM

  next time u hack in send me some nike vapours plz lmao. no i dont believe for 1 minute people can hack into wgt  thats  clutching at straws i think.

• fluffton 87 Posts

  Wed, May 22 2013 9:17 AM

  i find it amusing that WGT refuse to acknowledge there's an epidemic of cheats here,all they have done is lock the topic, burying there heads in the sand & letting  these hundreds of cheats ply there trade is unforgivable to say the least, this game is getting a load of '''bollox'''....i wonder if these cheats enjoy a game of cards? i certainly won't be playing with them, it ruins the game for the 90% of straight players we need a LEVEL playing field not a bunch of corrupt crooks 'playing'

• thebigeasy707 5,885 Posts

  Wed, May 22 2013 10:43 AM

  who knows approximately how many people cheat? no one really knows.....no one is probably even close with their assumptions.

  unless folks work for WGT they don't even know what WGT have in place to combat cheating or what WGT are planning to do about it.

  the only epidemic I see are the *cof *cof *bull$hit tell tale signs regarding how to spot a cheat lol....and that's the truth,

  the way folks are banging on about it constantly any one would think cheating on WGT has gone viral.

• chrisironsbones 3,524 Posts

  Wed, May 22 2013 11:06 AM

  This is getting a bit boring, just because one player CAN'T score below 58, It doesn't mean others cant achieve It.  This crying cheat business Is tarnishing the game.  Put more practice in and maybe you can see those low scores.

  When I saw a 53 in open qualifier, I didn't presume cheat, I just thought "a good score, so low is possible, well done".  After a few frustrating rounds I managed a 54, and was annoyed with myself for missing 5 foot putt on 17 for a birdie and to go top of leaderboard.  No,I havn't cheated and I've yet to see a guy score low who I suspect has cheated some how.  The players who are top of leaderboards are just that good.  Played against plenty of them.  the players who are probably cheating are the ones who struggle to score 65 on a course, and maybe they "might" achieve 62 at best, but I'm yet to see any proof of any cheat device and I personally dont really care because the only cheats that might cheat me are the legend's who have re started 2nd account and are playing ready go's from short tees, but even that wont last long. Players are able to score 53's just by using their own skill.  if you havn't got that same skill, stop accusing the players who do.