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Tue, Jun 18 2013 7:53 PM (10 replies)
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  • alcaucin
    9,041 Posts
    Sat, Jun 15 2013 8:47 AM

    Been playing now for 3 o 4 hours ( longest in 3 months ) and my clubs seem crisp....bad shots ending up good shots, good shots are great, 1 or 2 ft away, putts flying in from 12-14 ft.....

    Wondering if you haven't played for a while the VEM gets reset ( turned off ) so you have a good experience upon return ?

    Either way, enjoying the golfing today....even found a new sleeve in my bag. :)) Thanks sent 'Down Under', cheers m8t ( you know who you are )

    Andy

     

  • mmikkeelee
    591 Posts
    Sat, Jun 15 2013 9:10 AM

    ssssshhhhhhhhh !!!!

    ive just posted some thing similar now i feel vem is turned upto the  max lol

    :)

  • pjctas0822
    4,608 Posts
    Sat, Jun 15 2013 9:01 PM

    Al just blew it lol. I have noticed my putting is more accurate but Ill just throw that to my skills getting better :)

  • alcaucin
    9,041 Posts
    Sun, Jun 16 2013 5:19 AM

    pjctas0822:
    Al just blew it lol. I have noticed my putting is more accurate but Ill just throw that to my skills getting better :)

    You lost me......?

  • andwhy67
    2,816 Posts
    Sun, Jun 16 2013 7:13 AM

    l've been playing really well from tee to green, balls going where l aim so maybe they've just relaxed it a bit?

    But not had anytime away, still grinding on a daily basis and my putting is still $hit!  

    alcaucin:

    Been playing now for 3 o 4 hours ( longest in 3 months ) and my clubs seem crisp....bad shots ending up good shots, good shots are great, 1 or 2 ft away, putts flying in from 12-14 ft.....

    Wondering if you haven't played for a while the VEM gets reset ( turned off ) so you have a good experience upon return ?

    Either way, enjoying the golfing today....even found a new sleeve in my bag. :)) Thanks sent 'Down Under', cheers m8t ( you know who you are )

    Andy

     

  • VirtualGareth
    94 Posts
    Tue, Jun 18 2013 4:27 AM

    Escuse my ignorance ...... but what is VEM?

  • keidan
    311 Posts
    Tue, Jun 18 2013 12:53 PM

    VirtualGareth:

    Escuse my ignorance ...... but what is VEM?

     

    Virtual Equipment Model. 

    In a nutshell, the gaming software models the performance of clubs and balls and defines a behavior for each, such as distance, precision, forgiveness etc. to help make the game more interesting/realistic.

    You will find this to be a huge topic of discussion if you do a forum search on the subject. 

    The primary bone of contention among many top players is whether the clubs for example, follow a normal distribution in their accuracy  i.e. the size of a circle drawn at where you expect the ball to end up inside of... independent of other factors such as terrain or wind, which could shift the circle, or enlarge the circle, or both.

    Many players strongly believe that the club performance is influenced by the player's performance history as well.  So as your ability improves, the defined accuracy is tweaked (e.g. make the size of the circle larger, or cause a shot to land outside the circle) to make it the game harder on an individual level at a given time.  To support this there is a VEM patent by WGT available to the public that describes this influence based on a player's changing ability. 

    Having said that, it does not necessarily follow that a patented method is actually used.  The nature of the beast is that companies try to cast as broad a net as possible to cover any possible future scenario and try to limit the competition to get around their ideas.

    Anyway, I would say that it probably takes 1000's of rounds of play (or some well-controlled experimenting) to be able have a feel for what is going on... and even then there are arguments strongly for or against the influence of VEM based on player history.

    -Keith

     

  • alcaucin
    9,041 Posts
    Tue, Jun 18 2013 4:30 PM

    keidan:

    VirtualGareth:

    Escuse my ignorance ...... but what is VEM?

     

    Virtual Equipment Model. 

    In a nutshell, the gaming software models the performance of clubs and balls and defines a behavior for each, such as distance, precision, forgiveness etc. to help make the game more interesting/realistic.

    You will find this to be a huge topic of discussion if you do a forum search on the subject. 

    The primary bone of contention among many top players is whether the clubs for example, follow a normal distribution in their accuracy  i.e. the size of a circle drawn at where you expect the ball to end up inside of... independent of other factors such as terrain or wind, which could shift the circle, or enlarge the circle, or both.

    Many players strongly believe that the club performance is influenced by the player's performance history as well.  So as your ability improves, the defined accuracy is tweaked (e.g. make the size of the circle larger, or cause a shot to land outside the circle) to make it the game harder on an individual level at a given time.  To support this there is a VEM patent by WGT available to the public that describes this influence based on a player's changing ability. 

    Having said that, it does not necessarily follow that a patented method is actually used.  The nature of the beast is that companies try to cast as broad a net as possible to cover any possible future scenario and try to limit the competition to get around their ideas.

    Anyway, I would say that it probably takes 1000's of rounds of play (or some well-controlled experimenting) to be able have a feel for what is going on... and even then there are arguments strongly for or against the influence of VEM based on player history.

    -Keith

     

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  • renniw52
    5,385 Posts
    Tue, Jun 18 2013 5:07 PM

    I took a while off, last ranked round was April 30th. Just played BPB, I still can't shoot worth a flip.

  • MBaggese
    15,367 Posts
    Tue, Jun 18 2013 7:49 PM

    keidan:
    In a nutshell, the gaming software models the performance of clubs and balls and defines a behavior for each, such as distance, precision, forgiveness etc. to help make the game more interesting/realistic.

     

    I think you'll find the effect of VEM is on the player, not the equipment...WGT has stated that no alterations of equipment are made...so in effect, VEM affects you as a player, based no skill level and how you are progressing/digressing...and makes you play the perfect shot and not let you "miss th e ding by that much" in order to achieve the desired results.

     

    Tis why when I see low level players "crying VEM"...I laugh...they have 70 averages...and in effect have not developed a skill level, but feel every bad shot is "vemm'ed"

     

    Anyways, back to regular programming;)

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