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REALLY WGT .......After 4 years i am insane

• Quide 18 Posts

  Fri, Oct 4 2013 8:34 AM

  Misery love company.  I'm with you!  Very, very frustrating.

  I can't for the life of me figure how some of the players are shooting the scores they are.  Especially in the CTTH tourneys.

  I am patiently waiting for some other company  too post a new web game.  WGT having some competition will change their dogmatic thinking.

  As for me, no more money to wgt except for their wgt legend balls.

  I've had it.

   

   

• MainzMan 9,591 Posts

  Sat, Oct 5 2013 10:33 PM

  Quide:

  I can't for the life of me figure how some of the players are shooting the scores they are.  Especially in the CTTH tourneys.

  They play over and over and over and over and over and over again until they get a great score.  Someone recently posted this is the difference between the golfers and the gamers here.  The gamers will just keep restarting if they have any hole that's not good enough, the golfers tend to play single play tourneys.

  Personally I cannot be bothered with unlimited play, I don't have the patience (or time) to sit there for hours on end until I get the score I want.  I enter the weekly and monthly single play tournaments but I know I have zero chance in any of the unlimited ones.

   

  As to the game screwing with our rounds I do agree it happens and it is OTT.   One minute you're playing brilliantly, the next your approaches start dropping short, long or off line and the ball has a mind of it's own when it comes to putting.

  I believe we need to have some deviation built into the game, otherwise every dinged shot would be perfect and hitting the ding is way too easy to represent a perfectly struck golf ball.  I'd rather it was constant though and not apparently turned up when you have a good round going or are playing well and take a short break. It adds too much of a lottery effect to the game, especially as sometimes it will leave you alone and let you continue playing brilliantly.  As CIB has often pointed out, this is very unfair when playing for credits, the playing field isn't level.

  I don't believe for a second that WGT singles out certain players or that those who haven't invested real money in the game have it happen to them more often.  I think some players see it more frequently because they play more rounds, simple as that.

   

• Richard4168 4,309 Posts

  Sat, Oct 5 2013 11:07 PM

  Very well put as always MainzMan.

  This game, IMO, should be single play only tournaments for credits. Even the free weekly and monthly WGT tournaments, and CC tournaments. And then WGT should readjust the algorithms for averages.

  The stroke-play link in the game-client should be deleted so people aren't able to play over and over until they're satisfied with a ranked round that will alter ones average.

  The word "unlimited play" should be stricken from every part of this game. There should be no exceptions.

   

• srellim234 2,077 Posts

  Sun, Oct 6 2013 12:08 AM

  The problem, Richard, is that your suggestion would eliminate a huge source of income for WGT. The gamers who constantly restart are burning through golf balls at an incredible rate. Convert all the tourneys to single play and those gamers go away, taking their money with them.

  A better suggestion would be to improve the balance between single play and unlimited play tourneys as well as free and green fee tourneys both in stroke play and CTTH. Offer something for everybody while not lowering the company's income.

  As for affecting averages, it shouldn't matter. A person who artificially lowers his/her average by not completing rounds is only stroking an ego by presenting an average that says the player is better than they really are. No big deal as others are more likely to defeat them in direct competition if they are selected for a matchup based on average. Much better than having an average that is artificially high.

• alanti 10,564 Posts

  Sun, Oct 6 2013 12:27 AM

  In principle I agree Richard, however as SR points out, WGT will never stop the unlimited comps, as they raise a lot of revenue.

  Take the recent VUS Open - how many players played the qualifiers and how many rounds did each player play? Again fundamentally this should be say a four round, single play qualiifier, but I would say the vast majority played and restarted many,many more times = $$$$$

  As for false averages, all it is a average over x amount of rounds at a certain tier, not a true average. The only way for a true average would be to have an ongoing average regardless of games played AND that every round must be completed before you can play another round.

• joseyw 29 Posts

  Sun, Oct 6 2013 8:13 AM

  some guys keep records of every shot,putt  distance..i did this for just the best of putting and believe it keeping marked spots and all that does improve your game.so if you want to be better your gonna have to keep records of everything.lol

• srellim234 2,077 Posts

  Sun, Oct 6 2013 10:12 AM

  Right, alanti, but we know that will never happen due to financial considerations. I don't think the gamers are really concerned about average anyway. They're more concerned about the ratio of top ten and top 100 finishes to tournaments played. That and credits earned.

  Until WGT can come up with a true handicap I don't see anything changing. To prevent sandbagging they would obviously need to make it much tougher for the handicap to go up than to go down. I've suggested before that scores older than two or three years drop off the average formula but they would still need to decide at what handicap a player with diminishing skills returns to a weaker tier.

  I guess some formula based the current system (x # of rounds at a tier) but changing it from raw score to +/- par would be a start. That takes into account the difference between a par 70 or a par 72 course. Then they could hard-code that a round above average would raise the handicap only 0.01 or 0.02 of a stroke. Sandbaggers would have to play 100s or 1000s of rounds to get away with lowering their tier resulting in tons of money in ball revenue for WGT. Not really worth the effort and expense for the 'bagger.

  Unfortunately that doesn't solve the multi-account problem but it wouldn't be any different than what is out there now. Multi-accounters have one good, high tier account and just open up other lower tier accounts. A different solution needs to be found for them.