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Thu, Sep 2 2010 1:30 AM (149 replies)
  • piztaker
    5,743 Posts
    Sat, Aug 28 2010 11:42 PM

    haji97071:

    We pay our money and they promise us a site clean from cheating THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO US.

     

     

     

     

     

    Erm? Where exactly does it say this?

     

  • Snaike
    3,678 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 12:14 AM

    haji97071:

    How can you say they owe me nothing!!!!!!!!!  

    GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE (you are aware, we are the customers here).

    No, it's called "Capitalism".  If you don't like they way they run THEIR business, take your support and your money somewhere else.

    This is how businesses survive or fail.

    Their responsibility to you is to provide you with a golf game... not to make you aware of every decision, project, bug, release etc....  Again, unless you are on the B. of Directors, and in a policy making position, they owe you nothing.

    Nothing, nada, zip, zilch, bupkiss.... jack freakin' sh*t.

    And, if you don't like they way they run this business it is up to you to get out.  To make the demands you are making paints you in a very pompous, arrogant light.

    Sorry if you're offended.  That's the way it is.

    piztaker:
    Erm? Where exactly does it say this?
    Exactly.

  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 1:22 AM

    I was accused of cheating today for shooting an ok round... nothing amazing, but certainly pretty good.

    On the first hole, both of our drives went in basically the same area.  The guy stuck his 120 yard approach about 6 inches away from the hole.  Mine stopped about 4 ft away from the hole.  We split the hole with birdies.

    On the second hole (KIA 11), he drove his ball into the rough, whereas my drive landed in the fairway, allowing me to get on the green in two.  The putt was simple, albeit a 22 footer, so I had a good chance to sink it, and I did, winning the hole.

    On the third hole, both of our drives landed in the same spot... maybe about five yards in between them.  I missed my approach 4-5 yards to the right, whereas his approach's aim was dead-on, but he hit it 10 yards short.  I sank my putt, and he didn't, so I won the hole.

    On the fourth hole, we had, once again, pretty much exactly the same drive.  We both pulled our approach shots, and we were both about 1-2 yards short and about 4-5 yards to the left.  At this point, he accused me of cheating.

     

    Ok... I'm sorry... what did I do better than he did?

    #1 My drive on the second hole landed in the fairway.
    #2 My approach on the third hole landed closer.
    #3 I putt(ed) better.

    (We'll ignore the fact that his approach on the first hole was better than mine was and the fact that, for three out of four drives, he got the same exact drive that I did... focusing only on the stuff that I did better.)

    Now a hack program might explain #1, but honestly, when it came to #2, his aim on that approach shot was much better than mine was, but he made a miscalculation on the distance.  I NEVER miscalculate distance.  It is YOUR FAULT if your ball lands 10 yards short on a 160-yard approach shot that is as straight-forward as they come.  If you use a calculator and a ruler (or WGTCaddy, or a Yancymanesque banner,) that will NEVER happen... so don't blame me because in reality, this guy actually had the better shot execution, and the only reason my shot was better was because he failed to put in the effort of using his brain and making calculations prior to taking his shot.  Had he calculated the distance correctly, he would've been within 2.5 yards.

    As far as #3 goes, sorry that I was left with a 15 ft putt instead of a 27 ft putt because you botched your approach shot out of laziness... and sorry that I can halfway read a green instead of missing easy putts by a foot to the left or right.

     

    The point is this:  If you are hitting approach shots 10 yards too long or too short on easy approaches (i.e. not BPB 15, STA 17, etc.), then don't even bother accusing someone of cheating because your problems don't come from whether or not you are or are not dinging your meter, but rather because you are either too lazy or too dumb (or both) to calculate distance.  Someone that can't get distance right can use all the meter-slowing hacks that they want for all I care, and I would have no problem playing 1,000-credit match play rounds with them because there is NO POSSIBLE WAY for a ding to fix 10 yards too short or 10 yards too long... or an inability to read a green.

  • lvietri
    3,326 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 4:18 AM

    Hey Haj ... back on topic ... as i mentioned before ... i'm just curious ...

    What exactly could WGT say that would make you confident they are doing something .. that they haven't said already about a million times in the past 15 months that I've been playing, which is basically, they do not condone cheating and will take steps to handle it.

    Not trying to stir things up but as I said before .... there is no good answer I can think of that wouldn't piss off others.

    By the way, my opinion ... people try to cheat, it doesn't effect my game, I hope they are caught and banned from the site ...

    By the way .. i can't wait for someone to look at my recent activity and accuse me of cheating / sandbagging / whatever.   But here is a lesson ... Next time you try BP from the back tees with Heavy Winds and Fast Greens ... armed only with starter clubs and starter balls ... make sure you know if it's a practice or ranked round ... LOL ....

  • haji97071
    192 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 4:53 AM

     

    hi snaike:

    here we go again, if you don't like it, get out.  is that the best you can do.

    capitalism does not work if you don't take care of your customers, give people a crappy product and you may make money in the short run but you won't continue to reap the harvest when something better comes along (and believe me, it always does).

    it's amazing to me that your have 339 ranked rounds and $3.05 in earnings, obviously you don't want to play in the ready-go tournaments, that's your choice, however those of us who do put up our money to play demand that we play against honorable opponents, not cheaters.

    in real life, the usga watches out for their members by weeding out people that are sandbaggers, that is their responsibility, well, WGT has accepted that responsibility with their joint venture with the usga.  how do you think the usga will react when this site is totally overrun with sandbaggers and cheaters.

    if WGT cannot maintain the integrity of their site and lose the respect of the players that are playing on this site "capitalism will go the way of the dodo"

    by the way, 339 ranked rounds and over 3,400 posts on the forum, think you should spend a little more time playing golf and less criticizing players who only want to make this a better site.  

    i think the arrogance is in your court this time.

  • borntobesting
    9,707 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 5:45 AM

    Many of you asked what if anything WGT was doing to detect cheating. During the last cheating episode (lack of a better term), Niv said at that time that WGT diligently worked at detecting cheaters. And that many accounts had been closed due to being caught cheating. He did not say how they detected cheating just that they did. As one member said earlier in this thread if WGT said exactly what they do and did to detect cheating the cheaters might be able to find a way to get around it. 

  • Sargenjd01
    366 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:21 AM

    capitalism does not work if you don't take care of your customers, give people a crappy product and you may make money in the short run but you won't continue to reap the harvest when something better comes along (and believe me, it always does).

    That is the bane of capitalism and the free market systems, that is exactly how it works. Most good business models seek the long term to grow their revenue and profits.

    I am not going to get into the cheating debate because as someone wrote earlier I think it is a now win situation in many ways on WGT's part.  A good example is the multiple accounts. They are bad and good for WGT

    1.more accounts mean more users hence great for marketing

    2. more accounts mean the likely hood of more cheaters

    I think as a community we can help out  by policing some of these players and bring it to WGT's attention when we notice these irregularities in these accounts. I found one yesterday, From hack to Master in 11 days and the guy plays nothing but ready-go, made me wonder.

     

  • Chipsalot
    74 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:25 AM

    I ignore posts where people shout at me.

    If the haven't got the intelligence to move between upper and lower case they should have their computer removed.

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:32 AM

    Its been said....

    "Multiple account holders are the bane of this site... including the OP screaming at the top of this thread."

    and

    "I thought the idiot filter and the new WGT forum admin were here to save us from this kind of drivel."

    yet it is also said...

    " I believe WGT when they say they are actively prosecuting the cheaters."

    While knowing that WGT missed detecting a user cheating with the most popular #1 cheat engine on the internet.

    Blind faith like that is mind-boggling.

    For what its worth, here is an on-line gaming site that not only says it  takes cheating seriously, but realizes there is a negative (business) effect from all the paranoia and discussions about cheating and did something about it.  They decided that transparency is a better option than silence.  Quite refreshing actually.  I would say they are actively prosecuting the cheaters.

    Chess.com anti-cheating measures

     

  • Sargenjd01
    366 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 6:40 AM

    Andy

    Great post, I love the way that site handles it, thanks for sharing!

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