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Thu, Sep 2 2010 1:30 AM (149 replies)
  • garyk49
    2,331 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 1:08 PM

    Sargenjd01:

    b0geybuster:

    Sargenjd01:
    Detecting multiple accounts is one of the easiest things in the world. Each user's IP address is registers. So 2 or more users with the same IP address....there you go.

    Hmmmm, what about two people from the same house playing on WGT?   There is a hole in your theory.

    Cheers

     

     

    Well I think there would be very few of those

    Not really.  My modem has a unique IP, that the world sees.  The 4 computers networked to that modem have a IP assigned to them.  Software or hardware firewall, makes no difference, go to some testing sites and you will see both of those numbers.

    My wife has an account here also, she plays nowhere near the amount that I do.  If seeing the modem IP, you might think that I have 2 accounts.  But that is not true.  Family members could come over here, log into WGT, it would look like there were 4 accounts with my modem IP.

    If WGT can see all the way to the computer to see its IP, maybe.  Unless you have set a unique IP for your network, your computer will have the same network IP that half the world has.  If you let it automatically setup those IP's, it will be the same IP that is on many networks.

     

     

     

     

  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 2:27 PM

    Going by the same IP certainly narrows what must be tens of thousands of players down to about a thousand players, though.  Should two accounts that are played by the same IP be automatically banned?  No, but those are the accounts that WGT should have their eyes on.

  • Snaike
    3,678 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 2:30 PM

    andyson:
    How can Cheat 5.* not be a big deal with you if its against the rules?
    My apologies... it was inferred to have said "not as big of a deal as Multiples"

    I feel that the multiples are a much greater threat than the ones using a dinger program...  that is all.  Cheating is cheating, but in my view we have to work, as I stated earlier, from the multiples to the dinger cheats to the underage kids... and then the sandbaggers when WGT actually makes a stand on that one.

  • bryan24
    68 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 2:34 PM

    I have a question.  My scores have come down by a few strokes recently.  does that automaticly  classify me as a cheater?  thanks for your responses...

    bryan

  • oneputtdavid
    1,337 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 3:55 PM
    ....Judge "Snaike", what say yee to bryan24 confession. May I suggest, minimum of 20 additional ranked rounds is in order before a clear cut conviction of cheating. Note to bryan24 you may plea bargain to say; contemplated sandbagging. OK,OK enough of this silliness. Many great suggestions from all who responded........ Now, calling WGT, WGT please acknowledge, come-in WGT.
  • CharlemagneRH
    1,054 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 4:12 PM

    I probably dropped 2-3 shots for 9 holes by using a calculator and a ruler... and I dropped another 2-3 by tidying up my computer and getting rid of stuff that made my meter inconsistent.  The bottom line is that there are tons of legit reasons why a person's average would drop suddenly, even if they were holding pretty steadily at a much higher average for months on end.  There are plenty of ways to catch cheaters.  Banning anybody that finds a way to improve their average is not one of them.

  • haji97071
    192 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 4:22 PM

    CharlemagneRH:

    I probably dropped 2-3 shots for 9 holes by using a calculator and a ruler... and I dropped another 2-3 by tidying up my computer and getting rid of stuff that made my meter inconsistent.  The bottom line is that there are tons of legit reasons why a person's average would drop suddenly, even if they were holding pretty steadily at a much higher average for months on end.  There are plenty of ways to catch cheaters.  Banning anybody that finds a way to improve their average is not one of them.

    nobody wants to ban players that improve over time, however players that supposedly are brand new to WGT and shoot 32 on St. Andrews on their first two rounds ever raise a huge question.

  • Pangaea
    242 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 4:55 PM

    I am 100% sure WGT already monitor IPs. It's ridiculously simple, so if they're not doing that they need a new security guy hired ASAP. Even if you're behind a router some simple php commands can find your IP. That isn't enough to find cheater, however, as IPs can change from day to day on the same computer, and different users can even have the same IP at different times. But it will of course narrow things quite a bit, as users from the same nation will generally have many of the numbers in the IP address in a similar band.

    Then there are many other things, some quite simple, but I suppose I shouldn't mention it either. Point is, it's very easy to catch the majority of cheaters if WGT are doing their job and are actually taking it serious. The "Wall of Shame" of that chess site was a pretty good idea. Wouldn't at all mind if WGT did the same. That way we would at least see when that users are getting banned and that WGT are doing something.

    What does WGT actually do to cheaters now? Are their accounts removed, or are they just blocked from logging into it? Most forums have a "Banned" tag for banned users. That is something WGT should do too, so we can at least see if a user has been banned.

    Oh and btw, monitoring processes running on the host computer is a pretty slippery slope, and would probably get your anti-virus screaming blue murder, at least if it's any good. So although that may reveal some cheaters using software to auto-ding or whatever they do, it's something that may not be possible to actually do. It could easily be identified as some kind of virus.

  • BolloxInBruges
    1,389 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 5:02 PM

    Perhaps WGT could monitor ding %, and once you're above a certain threshhold your account would be flagged and processes periodically monitored.  No need to do it for everyone.

     

    I will agree that WGT really needs to spend more of their efforts on monitoring cheating/multiaccounting, because as it is it's virtually nonexistant.   In late 2009 I e-mailed them several times about a BLATANT multiaccounter and nothing was done about it until the right people finally looked at it months later (or maybe he was banned for something else completely different, who knows)

    Even if cheating is very infrequent here, the preception is that it's commonplace.

  • haji97071
    192 Posts
    Sun, Aug 29 2010 5:51 PM

    hey bollox:

    fyi, one new player had made master in 3 days, no round over par, 20 rounds in 3 days, the problem with moving him/her to master is for the rest of the month, or until he is officially moved up he will be allowed to play against the amateur/pro players taking their positions in the weekly tourneys.

    i don't care how good a gamer a person might be, no way you can establish a 64 average in 3 days on this site.

    unfortunately, it seems that as long as new players are willing to buy drivers, irons, wedges and balls from WGT, they apparently give these people a lot of leeway as to the scores they are able to shoot in their very first rounds here at WGT.

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