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Wed, Nov 27 2013 8:32 AM (40 replies)
  • commonguymd
    303 Posts
    Mon, Nov 25 2013 9:12 AM

    geraldlarousse:

    MainzMan:

    How boring would it be if the same shot produced the same result every time?  Great for our scores but at the end of the day the players who currently dominate the leader boards would continue to do so.

    Yes MainzMan it would be boring for sure,, but the way this is happening its not across the board.

    Nope.....the variance is only attacking certain players that enter tourney,, not everyone.

    Some games you are left alone to score well,, while others you are hit with long and short shots that land short in bunker, or over shoot green.

    That is my problem with the whole issue. If going to do that do evenly across the board.

    See where i'm going? But........ if did it even across the board the better players would still win! Again... the way it should be!!

    Not being screwed over so some lucky player can win. Game suppose to be skill right??

    Without any doubt this game at the moment skill is taking the back seat.

    Right now must hope when enter tourney that its your turn. That is not how real golf is played.

    You will never see a 5 hcp golfer beat a scratch player. Not going to happen. Players should be rewarded for their time spent in learning this game. Not screwed over so someone else can win. Especially when playing for money!

    Edit: I have a good one to share. Playing a MP game the other day against a good legend player. We were all square going into #9 on Beth. 10 mph tailwind,, i hit first and cut corner of dogleg. He gets up and does same thing..... but.... his R1 with Nike ball only flies 268 and finds the bunker.... game over.

    I asked him if he hit that good. He said yes and said he hit perfect and never seen that before. Really to be honest i could have missed that shot badly and still made it over the bunker.

    Bottom line my man got screwed.... period. Seeing it way to much of late also. Game decides when you lose.

    I am newer and much lower in levels, tier and experience.  I get the same screwy things happen from time to time.  I know if I birdie four in a row some shot or some putt is gonna act screwy and I give back a shot with a bogie or double for that matter.  I get the all of a sudden lip outs  for several holes and putts coming up short for no reason whatsoever.  I get shots that go wild for no reason, come up way short, or go way long. On putts, I even use chip view on putts to find hidden uphill areas before and beyond the hole.  Take my time.  Sometimes I have a great round, like a 29 on a CC tourney and try again in the same tourney and shoot 35 with peculiar things happening.  It's all shooters affected, not just the good ones or great ones.  

    I really notice it in the ready goes.  I figure every 4th one I get into I don't get crazy things happening.  The rest I do, and usually it's for half the round.  Like bogies the first four holes and then birdies the next five to close out with a bogie or vice versa, birdie first few holes and off to a great start and then bam.  I just take it with a grain of salt at this point but I have to say I have never swore at a game as much as I do this one.  haha I guess that's what keeps me coming back.  Almost like real golf.  You feel you had a good shot and it goes in the trees, ect.  

    I notice the same people winning or near the top of RG's and I think everyone gets their fair share of "injustice" and frustration.  I shot one recently where I think I was two over.  Terrible round.  5 bogies and 3 birdies.  I said, well that sucked and didn't expect to finish anywhere except the very bottom.  Placed middle of the pack and the highest score wasn't crazy low.  I think it affects everyone.  You may notice it more because you have been playing so long and you know your precision.  I know when the mistakes are mine and that is often, but sometimes I know the game is just not going to do exactly what I set it up and dinged it to do either.  

     

     

  • MainzMan
    9,591 Posts
    Mon, Nov 25 2013 9:21 AM

    andyson:

    You tell me.  I had 2 short and 1 long drive.

    The 300 yarder is a bit of a head scratcher I agree but other than that the grouping is pretty tight.  Without that one drive messing things up you only got a difference of 11 yards between the longest and shortest drives, not really that big a difference with an average shot length of 288 yards, very slightly more than 3.8% variation.

    I think I can live with that to be honest.  Of course 1 freakishly long drive out of 9 has to be considered rather bad but who knows, maybe you could have hit another 91 drives and only had 2 or 3 that also went 300 yards.

    Sweet graphic by the way.  Not quite in the same league as Mr. Avatar has a bad day but still very nice.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Mon, Nov 25 2013 9:29 AM

    MainzMan:
    Of course 1 freakishly long drive out of 9 has to be considered rather bad but who knows

    Look at where it  ended up-it probably caught the backside of that slope where most of the shots landed on top. The 3 rightmost ones could have rolled down there but that's splitting hairs. Andyson's research and proof is pretty empirical.  

    Carry figures probably would have been more accurate but I'm with you-3.8% isn't so bad from 300 yards to a fairway. However, apply that to a wedge shot from 100 out and it's the difference between a gimme and a putt.

  • MainzMan
    9,591 Posts
    Mon, Nov 25 2013 11:04 AM

    YankeeJim:

    Carry figures probably would have been more accurate but I'm with you-3.8% isn't so bad from 300 yards to a fairway.

    I think they are carry figures Jim.  Judging by the trails the distances are at the first point of impact.

    I'd be interested to see what the R11 irons are like, approach shots are a lot more critical than drives.  Maybe when I've a spare half hour or so........

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Mon, Nov 25 2013 11:30 AM

    MainzMan:
    I'd be interested to see what the R11 irons are like, approach shots are a lot more critical than drives.  Maybe when I've a spare half hour or so........

    LOL .Me, too,  but Andyson supplies all those idiot-proof explanations with pictures. You just have to push the right button to get him to jump through the hoop. :-D

  • MULSBY
    1 Posts
    Mon, Nov 25 2013 4:52 PM

    kingdivot2:

    I've hit the exact same shot, same angle, with the same club, lie, wind, and pin placement and had variances of 15 yards or more to the green.

     

    There is a name for what you experienced: golf.

  • MainzMan
    9,591 Posts
    Tue, Nov 26 2013 11:29 AM

    YankeeJim:

    LOL .Me, too,  but Andyson supplies all those idiot-proof explanations with pictures.

    Yeah, that man sure is a genius, I wish I could make hyper cool graphics like that.

    What do you think Jim, if we had paid more attention in school would we be as clever as he is?  Or is that just a pipe dream?

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Tue, Nov 26 2013 11:57 AM

    MainzMan:
    What do you think Jim, if we had paid more attention in school would we be as clever as he is?  Or is that just a pipe dream?

    Pfft. He's an older than me fart living the leisurely life in the sunny climate. He's just keeping the big brain busy. Oh man, gimme the time.  :-D

  • DAZZA501
    5,972 Posts
    Tue, Nov 26 2013 12:08 PM

    Back on topic. It has be known in the past for scores to be removed from leaderboards after wgt have done a bit of digging but only when the tournament has finished.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Tue, Nov 26 2013 2:02 PM

    DAZZA501:

    Back on topic. It has be known in the past for scores to be removed from leaderboards after wgt have done a bit of digging but only when the tournament has finished.

    That's why payouts have always taken time. I was always curious about how they verify the score.

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