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New changes - effects on Legends & Tour Masters

• blackbeard 288 Posts

  Sat, Sep 4 2010 5:57 AM

  As a "true" Master, with an average over some 1,400 rounds of c. 69-70, can I ask what fundamental changes the Legends are now seeing ?

  I remember the recent WGT Championships at SA and Oakmont were seeing scores well below par and even I carded a +2 at Oakmont and a -6 at SA (admittedly both after many, many attempts)

  As an honest question, just how unfair do Legends see the new set up ? From the outcry I've seen on several threads one would suppose that Championship greens and tees had never been used before, so I'm just wondering.

   

• b0geybuster 2,574 Posts

  Sat, Sep 4 2010 6:30 AM

  The changes for us are new tees, and the new tournament green speeds.  

  For me it is a challenge that I will take head on, but someone who dabbles in ready gos and MPC's, I will be limiting my time in both formats.   I am not complaining by any means, cause you still can get low scores, but the masters are now going to be at top of the ready go leaderboards more often then not, and will have a distinct advantage in MPC's.  This is because many of them have the same equpment as the legends, but are playing from shorter tees.  

  I can only hope that sometime soon WGT will offer the Legends new equipment to make up for this shortfall.

  Cheers

• blackbeard 288 Posts

  Sat, Sep 4 2010 7:49 AM

  So it's the effect of playing RG's & MPC's where the biggest difference is. Thanks for the reply.

• ironking34 749 Posts

  Sat, Sep 4 2010 8:08 AM

  I welcome the challenge also but High Winds, championship Tee, and tournament green speed is very unfair.  I've had 2 straight games at STA 17 where I carded a triple boogie both times.  This upgrade should have come with a new driver for the Legends if we're going to be hitting from so far back.  I've noticed the difference on all the courses.  My wedges are already getting rusty.

• TheZiggy 550 Posts

  Sat, Sep 4 2010 10:26 AM

  The original change, where Legends were playing off the Master tees, but with Championship greens was insane. I'm glad they changed that so we now play off the new tees, and the somewhat easier Tournament speed greens.

  With those championship speed greens, there were some places I found the only way to even give the ball a chance of hit the hole, was to hit the ball slightly away from the hole, and hope you'd not overdone it, and go wide. That wasn't really too much about skill, but just guessing and some luck.

  St Andrews 17 is now somewhere nearer to the challenge it is in real life. The big problem with it is, our drivers can't hit the ball as far as the real pro's are using. I have managed to get a par there, but it's easy to get it very wrong as I've also recorded a double bogey too.

• ironking34 749 Posts

  Sat, Sep 4 2010 11:04 AM

  TheZiggy:

  The original change, where Legends were playing off the Master tees, but with Championship greens was insane. I'm glad they changed that so we now play off the new tees, and the somewhat easier Tournament speed greens.

  I'd prefer to play from the master Tees with the championship greens, I'd rather be able to use my wedges to get closer to the hole than having to hit irons into the green. by the way the tournament greens are still a very big challenge and still hard to judge.  Also, KW front 9 still has championship green.  The combination of longer tees and quicker greens with high winds makes it very difficult.  Also, where in the any sport are there so many legend, the whole legend thing is a joke in the first couple years of WGT existance they have managed to have more legends that all the major sports combined.....LMAO.

• jbenny11 863 Posts

  Sat, Sep 4 2010 11:10 AM

  I love the new set up. Having said that, mpc participation is way down. Somewhat of a huge tee box difference between legend and tour master. Guess WGT wants people to play only people in their tier imo. JB

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Sat, Sep 4 2010 11:10 AM

  TheZiggy:

  The original change, where Legends were playing off the Master tees, but with Championship greens was insane. I'm glad they changed that so we now play off the new tees, and the somewhat easier Tournament speed greens.

  With those championship speed greens, there were some places I found the only way to even give the ball a chance of hit the hole, was to hit the ball slightly away from the hole, and hope you'd not overdone it, and go wide. That wasn't really too much about skill, but just guessing and some luck.

  St Andrews 17 is now somewhere nearer to the challenge it is in real life. The big problem with it is, our drivers can't hit the ball as far as the real pro's are using. I have managed to get a par there, but it's easy to get it very wrong as I've also recorded a double bogey too.

  I feel totally opposite. The championship greens were easy to learn compared to the 2 club penalty from the tournament tees. Mere physics explains this.  A perfectly dinged 3 iron will not be as accurate as perfectly dinged 5 iron. Those are the facts. Furthermore any claim to realistic now goes out the door. Made up tiers may make  WGT money but do not represent  the game of  golf. Imagine if Tiger and Phil had to play from a different tee.

   

• Kaslo 428 Posts

  Sat, Sep 4 2010 11:12 AM

  jbenny11:

  I love the new set up. Having said that, mpc participation is way down. Somewhat of a huge tee box difference between legend and tour master. Guess WGT wants people to play only people in their tier imo. JB

  I agree. No more mpc for me against the lower tiers.

   

• ingeras 7 Posts

  Sun, Oct 28 2012 12:35 PM

  you legends have got all the advantages now what more do you want