would thy like some cheese with all the wineing , practice harder quit repeating the same mistakes expecting different results, I remember when shooting 5 over was normal, now 4 years latter and thousands of rounds under my belt I only shoot 3 over , see hard work works ,,... you will improve , just keep banging the ball , and think before you swing. course management is what has made me a consistent under par player , even if I take off a few days ... and have fun. Alex