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Question regarding Winds and rough.

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Wed, Mar 12 2014 10:52 AM

  Hi all,

  As many of you know, I keep my semblance of sanity (insanity?) by writing programs.  It gets me through those "burn-out" periods by applying what I've learned to code.

  I'm currently working on improving my approach calculator.  What I'd like to know is if you have a "wind calculation" that works great for you, would you share it here (or send me a PM)?

  Also, what do you do when you're in the rough?  How much do you add for 1st cut rough? (20/30%, 30/40%)  2nd cut rough? (ditto on the varying degrees) Bunkers? (ditto) Brush? (ditto)

  I'd like to add some of your ideas to my approach calculator.  As many of you already know, I do share my programs, so your input will only make this shared program that much better.

  Either reply here or VIA PM.  I'm almost finished with my new addition to the calculators program and would like to tweak the wind calculator before I release it.  The rough and club mapping ... I'm planning on that addition in release 3.

  Kat ♥

  PS ... keep an eye out for the new release ... coming to a forum post real soon!

• newcastleb 1,813 Posts

  Wed, Mar 12 2014 11:19 AM

  Some grist to the mill Kat.....

  for 25% rough I divide dist. by 0.97  (i.e. 100yds become 103.09)

  30% divide by 0.91

  40% divde by 0.8

   

   

• courteneyfish 15,796 Posts

  Wed, Mar 12 2014 11:49 AM

  No offence meant Kat but does anyone think that if we reach a stage where there are calculations and programs and spreadsheets for every shot, it might spoil the fun? Just asking.

• ApexPC 3,164 Posts

  Wed, Mar 12 2014 12:19 PM

  If legal playing aids spoils your fun - don't use them.

  I don't use DaddyKat's software, but I do use other means (Pitch/Chip shot mode/hand-held calculator) to aim approach shots, and a Putter Pal like display to gauge putt stroke strength (VGG Caddy).

• b0geybuster 2,574 Posts

  Wed, Mar 12 2014 12:41 PM

  courteneyfish:

  No offence meant Kat but does anyone think that if we reach a stage where there are calculations and programs and spreadsheets for every shot, it might spoil the fun? Just asking.

  All things you do our should be doing in your head. This just speeds up the process. Can be lengthy to look through notes of 4000 ranked rounds on napkins.

  Cheers,

  b0gey

   

• BeachedMulligan 1,238 Posts

  Wed, Mar 12 2014 12:44 PM

  b0geybuster:

  courteneyfish:

  No offence meant Kat but does anyone think that if we reach a stage where there are calculations and programs and spreadsheets for every shot, it might spoil the fun? Just asking.

  All things you do our should be doing in your head. This just speeds up the process. Can be lengthy to look through notes of 4000 ranked rounds on napkins.

  Cheers,

  b0gey

   

  +1. No matter how you appraoch your shot you still need to excecute it. Trying to find an absolute value in something so VEM/WGT'd/Botched is crazy to me. More power to you for trying though. I know the shot im gonna hit as my ball lands and rolls out from my drives. Just feel...and grip and rip. 

   

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Wed, Mar 12 2014 2:28 PM

  courteneyfish:

  No offence meant Kat but does anyone think that if we reach a stage where there are calculations and programs and spreadsheets for every shot, it might spoil the fun? Just asking.

  None taken, Ms. Fish.  For me, not having to think about what to do at any given time makes for a more enjoyable experience ... but I tend to prefer AS and MP games and possess the gift of gab.  Stroke play games, I don't want to think.  I do enough of that designing calculators and worksheets.

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Wed, Mar 12 2014 2:38 PM

  newcastleb:

  Some grist to the mill Kat.....

  for 25% rough I divide dist. by 0.97  (i.e. 100yds become 103.09)

  30% divide by 0.91

  40% divde by 0.8

  Thanks, Newcastle!  You're in the 90th percentile ... someone that actually provides an answer to the question presented (instead of critiquing the syntax, morality or logic).

  If your a "feel gamer", more power to you.  Just grip it and rip it.  If you can't or won't share your own personal calcs and WAGs, fine.  Just keep your right-wing or left-wing replies to yourself, as they are not helpful to what I'm trying to obtain.  

  Thanks!

• Chinajohn 1,190 Posts

  Wed, Mar 12 2014 7:28 PM

  Kat, I copied you the wind calculator I use and you're welcome to use and or adjust it, especially as it was given to me by 7thwave.

  However, I've said this a thousand times already on these forums, the numbers for rough (e.g. 40/50) purely indicate the depth the ball is buried, how hard to hit is is affected massively more by WHAT it is buried in, i.e. sand, rough, deep rough, light brush, deep brush, mulch. Any calculation would have to take much more account of that than the numbers and I've never heard of any such formula. That said if you find one or figure one out put me to the top of the interested list.

• DaddysKat 3,554 Posts

  Wed, Mar 12 2014 9:21 PM

  Chinajohn:

  Kat, I copied you the wind calculator I use and you're welcome to use and or adjust it, especially as it was given to me by 7thwave.

  I've seen and reverse-engineered several, John, including the one you shared with me.  I liked your calculator the best.  The downside to it, however, is the wind power percentages and elevation additions/subtractions are hard-coded.  

  As far as rough calcs go, I think I'm going to forego trying to program them.  Each shot from the rough is different, just like each type of rough is different.  Just stay out of the rough.   For me, it's better to lay up and land safely on the fairway (with a longer approach shot), than wind up in the rough some 20 - 50 yards closer.  There's a lot less thinking required when you're on the fairway ... and a lot less "unanswered prayers".

  As for my calculator ... it's just an aid.  (like a GPS or range finder IRL).  It doesn't take the shot for you.  It merely gives you an adjusted distance and an aiming point.  When you're in a timed event, it's easier to enter a wind direction, wind speed, distance and elevation than to think ... ok ... 25 feet uphill elevation ... that's like 8 yards ... distance to the pin ... that's 94, so now I have 102 ... I have 8 MPH winds blowing toward me, so I need to add like five yards to ah ... wait ... what was that distance again?  

  That's me ... and why I have a calculator.  While I'm good with calculations and logic, I'm terrible at cypering ... but why should I be?  I have an app for that!