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  • MartyFlanagan
    2,488 Posts
    Wed, May 7 2014 3:27 AM

    we need more free uneven lies tournaments on wgt, there is not much variety. it would be good also to be able to play a course on uneven lies as a ranked round and not a practice round, im sure they could make the uneven lies option available when you select a course for strokeplay or matchplay.

    the only way to play uneven lies is one weekly and monthly tournament or a country club tournament, wgt need to expand their minds a bit, gives us more choice

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Wed, May 7 2014 5:56 PM

    Marty,

    I've tried bringing this up by screaming at the top of my lungs to whispering it. The only thing about WGT that bothers me a hell of a lot is the lack of promotion of what I consider the best thing about the game. The players who've accepted UEL can't play it with friends in Alt Shot, can't play ranked rounds, can't play ranked match play rounds and can't play ranked damn anything. We have to play in "practice mode". I've practiced my azz off and I want to be able to play UEL ranked all the time like normal. Instead we're treated like there's something wrong with us.

    WGT wets our beaks once a week in Single 18 games and a Monthly Unlimited game. CC Tourneys are ok if more than 2 people enter the damn things. Of course if we want to wager, there's UEL RG's. Big damn deal. I don't wager at all on anything and I'm not going to start just to play in UEL comps.

    IMO... the UEL choices should mirror the artificial flat land choices.

     

    P.S. Hey Marty, looks like I went the Screaming route again...  :)))

  • MartyFlanagan
    2,488 Posts
    Wed, May 7 2014 10:17 PM

    they need to make some changes, how long has uneven lies been available on wgt?

    there is lots of people playing uneven lies and im sure more and more will start playing them, its much better playing on uneven, the courses are harder and if your on your game you can score well, it feels like you are playing a us open course or an Open course.

    it must be time to make a few changes and give us more options for playing uneven lies

  • Chinajohn
    1,190 Posts
    Wed, May 7 2014 10:31 PM

    CerinoDevoti:

    ...... CC Tourneys are ok if more than 2 people enter the damn things. ....

    I think you answered you're own question right there.

    UEL is a minute niche market that only a very few people are interested in, (and I'm not one of them). 

    Now, if WGT can introduce more UEL without adversely affecting the EL options available fine, but if it means the removal of one single Even lies game I'm against it. Already in my opinion WAY too many RGs are UEL, it we are limited to 22 (IIRC) RGs per month then I would have no more than 2 as UEL. But hey, like you I'm biased, just in a different direction.

  • MartyFlanagan
    2,488 Posts
    Wed, May 7 2014 11:34 PM

    there seems to be plenty of people playing uneven lies its just we are not all in the same country club, a good start would be that wgt change the monthly uneven tournament to a multi round event, 18 hole single play x 4 rounds.

    i dont have the credits to play RG's but if they cut out a few of them and replaced them with free tournaments that would be good.

    if free tournaments are listed im sure they will get played

  • CerinoDevoti
    3,232 Posts
    Thu, May 8 2014 6:23 AM

    Chinajohn:

    CerinoDevoti:

    ...... CC Tourneys are ok if more than 2 people enter the damn things. ....

    I think you answered you're own question right there.

    UEL is a minute niche market that only a very few people are interested in, (and I'm not one of them). 

    Now, if WGT can introduce more UEL without adversely affecting the EL options available fine, but if it means the removal of one single Even lies game I'm against it. Already in my opinion WAY too many RGs are UEL, it we are limited to 22 (IIRC) RGs per month then I would have no more than 2 as UEL. But hey, like you I'm biased, just in a different direction.

    That's all I'm asking for John. I also don't want to see a reduction in flat lie free tourneys just the same amount of UEL options. What I'd really like is to see free UEL Tourneys on the same courses and conditions each week as the flat lie ones so we can play each and compare our own scoring. Doesn't that sound like greater ball use and increased ball sales  to you?

    The idea of not being about to play Alt Shot  UEL in any manner is totally baffling to me. Alt is one of the best learning and low pressure games and could be used by some of us strident UEL players to teach some newbs to UEL how we play the angles on shots. Laugh, learn, and burn up GB's in the process. How could that be a bad thing?

  • Corwyn
    2,410 Posts
    Thu, May 8 2014 7:51 AM

    Chinajohn:
    UEL is a minute niche market that only a very few people are interested in, (and I'm not one of them). 

    John, I'm sorry you haven't yet discovered the joys of UEL. I hope you will some day.

    I must correct you on your comment that it's a minute niche market.

    Every since the UEL community got the token free weekly back in December, I've run unofficial Tour standings based on the scores. Looking at the player lists from those, limited to just the TL and L tier, it's clear that this is not a minute niche any more. 613 unique TLs and Ls shot scores of par or better (or won credits) in those tourneys between Dec-Mar, and 418 have played the last 6 weeks. And this doesn't include any of the players who shot higher than par, or any TM, M, TP, P, A or Hack players. So I suspect we're actually talking about many thousands of players who are regularly tackling UEL.  Edit: It should also be mentioned that these are the free tourneys, with low prizes, so these numbers don't include many players who would otherwise play them if they had a better chance of recovering ball costs.

    As Cerino said, nobody is advocating for the reduction of flat-lie options. All we've ever asked for is some level of equivalency. Currently, the UEL community has one free tourney a week (compared to the two, sometimes three, x 9-hole, one x 18-hole, and one x multi-round free flat-lie events every week), and one free monthly event (compared to at least one 9-hole, one 18-hole, and at least two course-specific monthly opens on the flats)

    And, of course, there's now a year-long Virtual Tour, none of which involves UEL, nor is there an equivalent.

    In premium events, there's no equivalent of the weekly multi-round, nor of the tier-specific monthly multi-rounder, nor of the tier-specific Monthly Open.

    And, there are no UEL Brackets either.

    In the RGs, a lot of lobbying has led to the introduction of what is now just six UEL RGs (less than a quarter of the 25 EDIT:  four UEL RGs (two are holdovers from the prior set; i.e. less than a fifth of the 23 that are on offer as of now are UEL; btw: Icon has told there is no limit on the number they can create at once, it's just about trying to keep that menu manageable). As long as they are clearly labelled, there really is no reason any flat-lie enthusiast should be worried about their presence.

    I'm actually in favor of yet more variety; IMO it's time we had some of those equipment-restricted events that were experimented with back last fall.

  • Chinajohn
    1,190 Posts
    Thu, May 8 2014 7:56 AM

    CD: The limit is probably programming resources and server space, if it is that's where you and I part agreement, i.e. I go for the majority having the most options and the VAST majority are Even Lies. However, if there isn't a limit then we agree UEL can fill their boots.

    Corwyn: Yes it is still a MINUTE niche, remember this forum is a minute niche compared to the total numbers of players each day and UEL is a very small percentage played of us forum users

  • Corwyn
    2,410 Posts
    Thu, May 8 2014 9:27 AM

    Did you read my post?

    I'm quoting numbers that play the official free weekly UEL single-play tourneys, available through the game client... and nothing to do with a percentage of forum users.

    My spreadsheet is taken directly from those leaderboards. No-one has to signup, or visit the forum, in order to be included.

  • Chinajohn
    1,190 Posts
    Thu, May 8 2014 6:12 PM

    Corwyn:

    Did you read my post?

    I'm quoting numbers that play the official free weekly UEL single-play tourneys, available through the game client... and nothing to do with a percentage of forum users.

    My spreadsheet is taken directly from those leaderboards. No-one has to signup, or visit the forum, in order to be included.

    Then perhaps you are misunderstanding me or vice versa.

    Lets take your UEL single-play tourneys, take that number then work out as a percentage of TOTAL games played on WGT in the same period. I'm going to guess it's a very small niche. I'm not talking about sign-ups, I'm talking about the total number of games played per period on the WHOLE of the WGT server, how many are Even Lies against how many are UEL.
    Now for me small niches shouldn't be ignored UNLESS taking their wishes into account adversely affects the majority. 

     

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