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legend drivers

• zagraniczniak 1,984 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 7:35 AM

  PGAbound67:

  This isn't "PGAsimulator.com".

  Fair enough, but WGT does seek "realism" and perhaps the PGA could be a benchmark, that's all.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 7:35 AM

  zagraniczniak:

  But if you're looking for one area in which WGT is unrealistic, it is not that the drives are too long or too short. It is that the irons are too accurate. According to PGA statistics, the best average distance from the hole on approach shots is about 30 feet (10 yards), and the top 100 are within about another 5 feet:

  http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/?331

  How many top WGT players would be happy with their approach shots landing an average of 10 yards from the hole?

  Problem is that increasing deviations makes the game entirely based on luck, and that would be pretty ridiculous.  I don't think WGT could claim to be a "skill-based" game if they made it like that, and in fact, I honestly don't think that WGT, right now, could be considered a skill-based game because there are tons of good players out there, who are barely legends, but they, on average, get destroyed by TMs who are not as good as them, but play an easier tee.  I don't know how you can claim to be a skill-based game when a superior player can consistently lose to an inferior player.

  I also wonder if the stats are taken differently.  For example, is WGT's "approach" shot the shot that gets you on the green, or is it the par-2 shot?  If it is the par-2 shot, and you're playing a par 5, and you get on the green in two, then the result of your first putt would be your par-2 shot (AKA your approach shot), even though your par-3 shot should've been considered your approach.

• PGAbound67 565 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 7:40 AM

  It's your GIR shot, I've wondered that as well. I was playing Kia a couple of weeks ago and after hitting my approach to 3ft on the 1st hole, I hit the green in 2 on the par 5, made the putt, and checked my round stats, it had my avg distance to the hole as 1.5ft.

• zagraniczniak 1,984 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 7:40 AM

  CharlemagneRH:

  I also wonder if the stats are taken differently. 

  The PGA explains their stats in excruciating detail. An 'approach shot' is defined to exclude shots from 'around the green.' So if you don't 'go for the green' (another precisely defined stat in PGA-land), it would normally be your tee shot on a par 3, second shot on a par 4, etc. Whether these coincide with WGT stats is not exactly the point. We all know how far our approach shots, as we understand them, are from the hole. We're frustrated if we have a 30 foot birdie putt, aren't we? (Unless we make the 30-foot putt.)

• 6packmike 235 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 10:17 AM

  I think the legend balls are great. It took a while to figure that the fuller hit short irons impact more spin on the ball. that can be a big advantage. I'm not in favor of a longer driver now. But I would like to be able to buy the 278 yard club along with a good hybrid for blitz play.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 10:18 AM

  zagraniczniak:

  CharlemagneRH:

  I also wonder if the stats are taken differently. 

  The PGA explains their stats in excruciating detail. An 'approach shot' is defined to exclude shots from 'around the green.' So if you don't 'go for the green' (another precisely defined stat in PGA-land), it would normally be your tee shot on a par 3, second shot on a par 4, etc. Whether these coincide with WGT stats is not exactly the point. We all know how far our approach shots, as we understand them, are from the hole. We're frustrated if we have a 30 foot birdie putt, aren't we? (Unless we make the 30-foot putt.)

  Since the PGA Tour only counts 30+ yard approach shots, includes shots that don't even make it onto the green, and if they count drivable par-4 tee shots, and two-shot-reachable par 5's in their formulas, which they might, then all of that could throw the figure way off from how WGT probably determines it (which is most likely based off of the first shot to hit the green or the result of the par-2 shot.)

  I'd be willing to bet that a PGA Tour 30-ft distance-to-pin (DTP) is about the same as an 18-ft DTP here on WGT.  Just look at their GIR percentages.  They're 65-72%.  If you go look up someone with a 30-ft DTP here on WGT, their GIR is more like 45%.  WGT's DTP method is much, much kinder to us than the PGA Tour's method is to PGA Tour players.

• jbenny11 863 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 11:25 AM

  Sixpack, you got to be kidding me. The new ball may help slightly in the condition you describe, but for 145 credits the ball is a miserable failure. We need real changes with ball/driver imo. JB

• iukine 195 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 7:27 PM

  BriRock:

  iukine:

  And also pal

  Def. not your pal.

  iukine:

  no I'm not afraid of too many things, mostly fools like you guys who like mouth off when they're several hundred miles away.

  So you are afraid of me?? Because that’s how I’m reading that...oh and a quick Newsflash for you…99% of us don't live in Hawaii...we are all several THOUSAND miles away... You are in the middle of the ocean...

  iukine:

  come on over to Maui, Lahaina to be exact! And ask anyone in town if they know me. And give me a call I'm in the phone book.

  I looked you up in the phone book but couldn't find you...just making sure I’m spelling it right....Village Idiot...do you have a middle initial that I’m missing or perhaps a Dr. or Mr.?? (You set yourself up for that one).

  ...On Topic...Still haven’t changed my mind about the Legend Driver…I’m not so sure that giving them longer irons, with even better spin control is such a great idea. I understand where the longer shots could def use some more spin when hitting into the greens (or maybe the greens should act like actual greens)…but to give them clubs that would allow a 5,6,7, iron to stop on a dime might cause a bit more chaos than a few extra yards off the tee. With respect to the driver, it’s just one club. It doesn’t affect the rest of the shots made throughout play (yes I understand that a longer tee ball puts shorter clubs in your hands for approach shots), but you won’t be using the driver for those shots. With new irons, far more shots are affected. Now, perhaps WGT will someday allow us to split up sets of irons, so Legends can drop their 3 and 4 irons, for say Legend Only Hybrids with far more loft and spin control…That idea I am not opposed to.

  Well WGT informed me not to banty words with you fellows anymore, so I won't, sorry I'm not going to be fun now. Weather is beautiful here today, surf is about 4-5 feet, wind at about 15- 20 mph and skies are clear, Just got a cold beer out of the fridge going to go sit on my lanai and watch the sunset. After that I'll go play a little music and probably have another brewsky or two. Aloha to all.

• 6packmike 235 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 11:37 PM

  jbenny11:

  Sixpack, you got to be kidding me. The new ball may help slightly in the condition you describe, but for 145 credits the ball is a miserable failure. We need real changes with ball/driver imo. JB

  What's done is done. You can't take the legend balls away too many have probably been sold as all these legends on the money list have stocked up on them. The graphics is what the game is all about. Probably just the harder hit from the three balls of distance makes the shot go higher letting the two balls of spin take more effect. I'll start a thread on how I practice with out spending so much money. This oughta be fun.

   

• jbenny11 863 Posts

  Fri, Oct 22 2010 6:48 AM

  Mike, that's exactly the kind of attitude that lets WGT get away with implementing these half-cocked fixes. The Legend ball IS a joke, any added benefit is far out weighed by the cost. The small added yardage (if any at all) and little bit of spin is an insult to us. Btw a very small percentage of legends use this piece of crap ball, even though most legends are not concerned with cost. That alone should tell you all you need to know about the Legend ball. I doubt anyone stocked up on these stop gap balls, even WGT had to know they were a joke. JB