lonniescott711:
mkrizan86:
lonniescott711: You have to not only learn how to play the game , but also how the game plays. There is more to it than just hitting the ding and the deviations are more than just shots going long or short .
Yes, it takes time and experience (and some good judgement) to understand how certain holes play, which putting grids "lie", what are circles of precision and forgiveness and how big are they for different clubs. But the VEM part of it is understanding how the sizes of these circles change depending of the level of skill the player is showing. Only then you can understand how a dinged shot in zero wind with perfect strength, aimed 2y left of pin can land 2y right of pin and know that VEM didn't cause it.
The results of that shot , will depend on the contours of the green which also has to be taken into account. You will also have to add green speed , club + spin if any is used and the amount of roll out as well. There are variables to consider which is why practice is so important .
Not sure we understood each other. I was agreeing with what you wrote and the rest of it was meant for those who don't understand what VEM is. That's who I meant by "you". As for the shot, you missed my point. I wasn't talking about where the ball lands, it was meant as an example that because of the circle of precision, a dinged ball aimed left of pin can easily land right of pin in zero wind (with no roll). And that this isn't VEM, but normal.
lonniescott711: At the same time when you are hitting a shot 236. 4ft.^ with a 2-4 mi. T/W and your 240 yrd. 3 wood only goes 225 yards with no spin . Now thats VEM .
And that's where you're wrong. That's either a deviation (at best), but more likely the fact you're in the "shortest" part of your precision circle, which means your shot will be 5-10 (depending on your club's precision) yards shorter than usual. Or you're talking about the 2nd shot on KIA #2, in which case the shot did exactly what you put into it, cause playing that shot with no BS will do just what you described. The less carry will land the ball on a severe up slope and stop it dead.
I think people don't understand the difference between VEM and deviations. While the latter affect only individual shots (and are rare), VEM doesn't. It affects your every shot, by making the "sweet spot" of your clubs bigger or smaller (therefore circles of precision and forgiveness), depending on the skill you're showing. So when your 3w lands on 225 once, that's not VEM. VEM would be if it used to land anywhere from 230-240, but now it's landing between 225 and 245 yards.