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CTTH 30 Yards on 9 Holes = Impossible without...

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 6:57 AM

  ncviz:

  Always amazes me how someone can be so sure of something, yet be so ignorant on the subject.

  These are UNLIMITED play. With a little practice you can get so very good scores. How bout stop accusing and/or assuming things and try these for yourselves for more than just 2-3 hours!

  Regardless of what anyone thinks of the CTTH scores for the KLM or LPGA tournaments, which are the best scores taken from, in some cases, 100+ attempts, the list of scores posted by andyson are unbelievable.  I do not have as much CTTH experience as most, but consistently shooting sub-60 in a CTTH round is not consistent with the CTTH experiences that I've had.  Like I said, I do not believe that I have ever shot below a 75 or so in CTTH, (and I have the Diamond CTTH Accuracy Award,) so to see someone shooting sub-60 consistently is really quite unbelievable.

  To get an average score for 9-hole CTTH rounds of 50 or so, you'd have to park shots 5.5 feet away from the hole, on average.  In roughly 450 9-hole stroke play ranked rounds, I do not believe that I have pulled off a 5.5-ft distance-to-pin average... ever.  And the guy on the first page did it consistently?  I'm sorry, but I find it completely and utterly impossible unless WGT has recently and radically changed CTTH.

  Barring a radical change that I failed to notice, I'd have to say that someone has gotten hold of something... and I highly doubt they are hacking the server or anything like that.  I'm forced to believe that WGT stores deviation data client-side, before the shot is taken, at which point some people have been able to access it and make the adjustments necessary to offset it, which is monumentally stupid.  I have not seen or heard of any remotely competent programmer storing anything client-side that wasn't absolutely necessary in years.

• ncviz 527 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 7:38 AM

  Ok I had to laugh a bit once I tracked down that player that Andy was referencing, inside joke I guess, some of the others will probably get it.

  Even his/her scores are just very good scores from a very good CTTP player. I was very good at this for a decent stretch of time and I can tell ya after hours and hours of practice those shots become alot easier than you may think.

  That's when the luck comes in, getting the right wind, avoid a deviation or in some instances getting a deviation when you actually hit it bad.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 8:08 AM

  Look, here is all that I need to know.

  Amongst those who are currently playing, I'd rank myself in the #8 to #14 range.  I consider Bolly, Lee, pricehcs, Angeltotti, and a few others that I'm not familiar with to be better than myself.  Maybe Imcoola, craiger85, et al.

  I'd peg my ability to shoot a low-50s CTTH at about 1/250, even if I took the exact same shot over and over again, and even if the wind was exactly the same every time (which it isn't) or if I got wind effect formulas directly from a WGT dev (which would be cheating.)

  It is harder to shoot a 75 CTTH and a 30 CTTH than it is to shoot two 52.5 CTTH's.  Proof: It is not all that rare for me to get two approach shots within 3 ft in a 9-hole round (10-30%, depending on what 9 holes it is [KIA #11, STA #9, etc. being 50-70% chances]), but it is exceptionally rare for me to sink an approach shot and get another within 6 ft in a 9-hole round (~0.05%)

  The easiest way (by many, many orders of magnitude) for me to attain a 50-55 CTTH average over 20 CTTH rounds, then, is to shoot 50-55 over and over again, rather than some 65-75s and some 25-35s.

  The chances that I can pull that off are (1/250)^20, or 1 in 9.0949...e+47, or 1 / 909,494,701,772,928,237,915,039,062,500,000,000,000,000,000,000.

  This minuscule chance is about on-par with getting 15 hole-in-ones in a row on a par 3.  It is impossible.

• gobbog 150 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 9:00 AM

  andyson:

  CharlemagneRH:

  CTTH = luck.  Ninety feet is hard to get, but not impossible.  Some of the really low scores, like 60 ft and below, are just pure luck.

  Charle, here's an amazing lucky streak then............20 sub 60 ft in a 2 day stretch....

  BTW, the 'player' who shot these Legendary scores no longer appears on the WGT Player search.

   

   

  This Legendary player's name doesn't come up in the search, but his account is active... he's still playing every day.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 9:23 AM

  Ah... found out who it is.  It's the guy that has been putting up some of the most impressive numbers in the weekly and monthly games.  It had occurred to me that he's played, in this month's, this week's, and last week's tournies, about on the level of Bolly, but I had assumed it was merely luck.  Looks like I was wrong!

  He appears to be a lot better at CTTH than he is as stroke play, though, so the exploit must be either limited to CTTH or simply something like what AvatarLee was talking about, where deviations are not randomized after every shot -- something that would be hard to figure out on a stroke play round, but much easier to figure out in a CTTH round.

• Mem11 199 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 9:28 AM

  gobbog:

  This Legendary player's name doesn't come up in the search, but his account is active... he's still playing every day.

  He hasn't played since the 19th and before this break his recent history does not show any missed days. 

  The fact that you can't search for him means that his account has been disabled - could be permanently, could have been given a time out and will come back later...  If you don't see him post a score by the end of the weekend, I'm betting it's permanent.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 9:30 AM

  Mem11:

  gobbog:

  This Legendary player's name doesn't come up in the search, but his account is active... he's still playing every day.

  He hasn't played since the 19th and before this break his recent history does not show any missed days. 

  The fact that you can't search for him means that his account has been disabled - could be permanently, could have been given a time out and will come back later...  If you don't see him post a score by the end of the weekend, I'm betting it's permanent.

  Add a "2" onto his name and see what shows up.  There's no activity on the second account, but it exists.

  I have to admit, it looks like WGT has done their job for once.  Now, if they want to really impress me, they need to remove the exploit instead of catching a few people here and there who are using it.

• AvatarLee 1,644 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 1:47 PM

  ncviz:

  Ok I had to laugh a bit once I tracked down that player that Andy was referencing, inside joke I guess, some of the others will probably get it.

  Even his/her scores are just very good scores from a very good CTTP player. I was very good at this for a decent stretch of time and I can tell ya after hours and hours of practice those shots become alot easier than you may think.

  That's when the luck comes in, getting the right wind, avoid a deviation or in some instances getting a deviation when you actually hit it bad.

  Had a chuckle too Viz... 

  Guys, cool down... the scores are legit, this player is just that good (borderline OCD if you ask me.... j/k)  Anyone who plays the same CTTH over and over and takes proper notes (mental or physical) can get their numbers really really low, consistantly.  These scores are possible, and if I had the time, patience or OCD that this player has I would demonstrate it to you all.  Not to mention you're overlooking one major factor here... how do you know this player recorded all of the rounds attempted.  Perhaps they were only interested in posting below a certain score and dumped the round as soon as they were over that.  I know it's something I used to do in CTTH all the time.

• AptPupil 9 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 2:21 PM

  This is kind of on topic, but not entirely, I signed up to play my first CC CTTH.  The cost was 10c.  This marked the first or second time I paid to enter a tourney.  I play lots of blitz so I thought it would be all good.

  First shot.  Metered.  443 DTH.  Unbelievable.  I get metered now and then, but this was just plain uncanny.

  This marks the last time I will likely pay to enter a tourney due to this meter.

  Thanks WGT for a wonderful swing meter that is as fun to play with as a crocodile with a toothache.

• lilrob88 870 Posts

  Thu, Oct 21 2010 3:19 PM

  On the OP's topic of dinging.... lol heh heh i said dinging :)

  kinda funny but my best shots generally tend to come when i miss the ding by a koont hair. if i ding the ball im screwed. lol

  love: rob