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• courteneyfish 15,796 Posts

  Thu, Oct 16 2014 9:41 PM

  sweetmiffy:

  Exactly.

  Where's Courteney?

  I'm here. Nothing to hide, I've just been amazed by all of the moral highgrounders.  The boss of Augusta and myself didn't play in these clashes. In fact neither of us played that day at all.

  I'd already made public that if my club won the putter that I'd decline it or not let it be used. A few owners have said that if any of their members had played in a loophole tourney then they would have ejected them but I doubt that they would. That sort of thing is easy to say but harder to do.

  I won't remove members, some of whom are REAL friends just because WGT can't organize a tournament properly.

  Did anyone know all of the rules to the debacle? I certainly didn't and didn't know where my club had finished until I was told the next day.

  All that players won from this are a few passes which if not used straight away become negated by the non receipt of free ones. I think that covers it.

   

• courteneyfish 15,796 Posts

  Thu, Oct 16 2014 9:43 PM

  Oh, and don't forget that I was one of the testers for this putter and stated on here that I didn't like it.

• TheDuckinator 1,691 Posts

  Thu, Oct 16 2014 10:07 PM

   

  courteneyfish:

  sweetmiffy:

  Exactly.

  Where's Courteney?

  I won't remove members, some of whom are REAL friends just because WGT can't organize a tournament properly.

  Did anyone know all of the rules to the debacle? I certainly didn't and didn't know where my club had finished until I was told the next day.

   

  Hey Courteney,

                I can understand that you will not eject the members that did this. However, there is no way to defend what they did. Even if the rules did not specifically say you could not play another course, you know as well as I do that it was wrong. And they had to know that as they were doing it...

• 1yes1no 223 Posts

  Thu, Oct 16 2014 10:21 PM

  Some peoples moral fiber is made of sterner stuff.  Some of you won't understand.  Others will get mad.  It is what it is though, and one is either strong enough to stand for what is right or one is not.  Don't try to use the definition of "right" as an excuse either.  Deep down most know right.  It is something you would not be embarrassed having to tell GOD, the Preacher,  Mom, Dad, or the police about.

  Real Golfers understand that Golf relies on integrity.  Gamers don't seem to want to know that word.  Therein lies the crux of the problem.

  

  

• courteneyfish 15,796 Posts

  Thu, Oct 16 2014 11:02 PM

  TheDuckinator:

   you know as well as I do that it was wrong. And they had to know that as they were doing it...

  Neither you nor I KNOW anything of the sort. A lot of club members just play the courses and conditions that they like. Not everyone cares about Clashes. I'll bet some didn't even know what a Clash was. I wouldn't have started a tourney like that but I can understand one or two getting carried away by it all.

   

• alosso 21,065 Posts

  Thu, Oct 16 2014 11:11 PM

  TheDuckinator:

  Question: Is WGT going to make any further official comments regarding this debacle?

  The company has made their statement (see page 39) and they may not see any reason to add to this or repeat it.

  Confirmed moderation policy.

• alosso 21,065 Posts

  Thu, Oct 16 2014 11:24 PM

  1yes1no:

  Real Golfers understand that Golf relies on integrity.  Gamers don't seem to want to know that word.  Therein lies the crux of the problem.

  Big difference is, on the real courses, each player is his/her own referee and has to take this responsibility as a Gentleman or Lady. Golfers are conditioned to act like this, though quite a few do not follow.

  In this game, in this virtual, programmed environment, things are different. We may expect that the program sets and enforces the rules. Usually, I play and think,
  "What is not forbidden is allowed", taking benefit from rough lies declared as "Fairway" and shots from the water which miraculously are dry, without a thought. This is the rub of the green.

  Now, this event exposed mighty loopholes, and with all the hype created for a
  "4,000 $" prize it's no wonder that these loopholes be used - another rub of the green. And the accountants laugh until it hurts!

  IMHO, it's only the company to blame for everything that happened during the event, their poor programming and QA turned the event into a laugh, and the winning CC certainly deserve first place in making a mockery out of it. The anti-exploit clause in the T&Cs means nothing to me, it's only meant to protect themselves against "undue" financial losses due to their own failures.

  We may get moral over the handling of the putter, but that's a different story.

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Thu, Oct 16 2014 11:24 PM

  courteneyfish:

  sweetmiffy:

  Exactly.

  Where's Courteney?

  I'm here. Nothing to hide, I've just been amazed by all of the moral highgrounders.  The boss of Augusta and myself didn't play in these clashes. In fact neither of us played that day at all.

  I'd already made public that if my club won the putter that I'd decline it or not let it be used. A few owners have said that if any of their members had played in a loophole tourney then they would have ejected them but I doubt that they would. That sort of thing is easy to say but harder to do.

  I won't remove members, some of whom are REAL friends just because WGT can't organize a tournament properly.

  Did anyone know all of the rules to the debacle? I certainly didn't and didn't know where my club had finished until I was told the next day.

  All that players won from this are a few passes which if not used straight away become negated by the non receipt of free ones. I think that covers it.

   

  Well said Ms Fish, but I have to ask, you...as a very active club owner, who regularly screens its members for play, so as to keep the 250 or members active, ...

   

  You didn't see or notice the PC Tourney setup to exploit the clash?

   

  If you didn't and you slept through it...what are your thoughts about the members of your club that participated in it?

   

  In most instances you are very vocal about running a club...so what is your view on the members of your club, that took that path?

• Piirikas 167 Posts

  Thu, Oct 16 2014 11:55 PM

  I set up the par 5 tourney you are talking about. Was thinking everything is by the rules. Wouldn't put this kind of name and description if I had thought something is wrong, right? I am sorry. Will NEVER do this again, promise. Now, are we one big happy family again?

• courteneyfish 15,796 Posts

  Thu, Oct 16 2014 11:56 PM

  I think I answered that above, Baggy. I didn't notice the tournament until it had finished and I can understand that some might have got carried away by it. 

  I recently got a promotion at work (I used WGT as a reference to my organizational skills) and I've been working all hours lately. If my real life workload doesn't ease off soon I may have to give up my club or pack in the game altogether.