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Seeing Ready Go Results Before Play

• siggipj76 2,989 Posts

  Fri, Oct 17 2014 8:54 PM

  SoKoSteve:

  And you're right, also.

  Sharks can just sit around and see what they have to shoot and shoot it whether or not they care about moving up tiers.

  ok that has nothing to do with what I wrote !

  this has nothing to do with sandbagging ??

  if you are a sandbagger you don't enter ready go's !!

  So I have no clue what the eff you are talking about, not the first time reading on of your posts.

• spdemon 1,588 Posts

  Fri, Oct 17 2014 8:58 PM

  SoKoSteve:

  siggipj76:

  SoKoSteve:

  fmagnets:

  Not something that should be fixed. Players that play last have a distinct disadvantage under the countback rules, which is the reason I would always play as soon as I can. Seeing what the leading scores are doesn't help you shoot them.

  Can't disagree more. (with all due respect, of course)

  The game itself is rife with sandbaggers/multi-accounters.  These guys can sit around and wait until the scores are posted and beat the top score by a stroke or two at will without bringing attention to themselves.

  Furthermore, if I'm playing a treacherous par-5 that is an easy birdie or a possible par/bogey if an on-in-two approach goes slightly off, the score dictates the play.  If a birdie gets you there, you lay up.  If not, you go for it and possibly make eagle.

  Moreover, the countback rules should be used as motivation by WGT to speed up entry and game play.  It's not only better for the players who don't want to wait 2 days for the tourney to fill up, but also a good business decision for WGT (more tourneys equals more profit).

  Best,

  S.

  Ok I thought my point was valid, but what are you going on with multi and sandbaggers??

  how is a sandbagger getting any edge over others ?

  I am talking about the top sharks that can see if they can win easy credits.

   

  Guys who don't want to move up so they keep their scores low until the critical point.

  I thought my "at will" point was quite clear.  Sandbaggers have an advantage b/c they can play tiers below their skill and cash in at the right moment.

  Let's say they are playing Merion in TM.  They obviously don't want to move up to Legend because the TMs are easy pickings.  So, if they need a 64 to win, are they gonna go out and shoot a 60 and push closer to Legend status?  Of course not.  If someone is a multi (one Tour Legend account and a Master account) - meaning they've played the game before and know how to score low - are they going to bring attention to themselves by shooting the lights out?  Of course not, they'll win by one.

  Or there is this less malicious, but equally problematic scenario.  A player is on the cusp of becoming a TM.  She's played hard and earned her way up, and is now comfortable and competitive at Master tier.  She knows that she needs a 65 on Merion to win the tourney.  She's sitting on the 18th at -7 with a tap in birdie.

  Does she make the putt?

  For most people, it's a yes.  For others, it's a 1 foot three putt.

  Well you sure are informed for someone been here 3 months got a good story to tell lol

  maybe just a good reader perhaps 

   

• CanineSupervisor 1,882 Posts

  Fri, Oct 17 2014 9:05 PM

  spdemon:

  Well you sure are informed for someone been here 3 months got a good story to tell lol

  LOL !

  Speed, you misread...he's been here 2 months and is a TM. Hmm. I suppose some people are just "naturals" at this game nowadays. Maybe he's trying to tell us something.

• spdemon 1,588 Posts

  Fri, Oct 17 2014 9:08 PM

  CanineSupervisor:

  spdemon:

  Well you sure are informed for someone been here 3 months got a good story to tell lol

  LOL !

  Speed, you misread...he's been here 2 months and is a TM. Hmm. I suppose some people are just "naturals" at this game nowadays. Maybe he's trying to tell us something.

  Whoops my bad lol even better than i thought then 

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Fri, Oct 17 2014 9:10 PM

  DaveStrock:

    I have no idea what you guys are talking about when it comes to seeing ready go tournament scores before the tourney has ended and all scores are posted,,I've been playing for years and have never seen any ready go scores posted until the tourney is over?????what am I missing here???????,,how does someone look at a ready go and see any scores while the tourney is still in progress???,,I've always had to wait until it's finished and posted on my home page and then click on the tourney to see how  I've  done......

  As soon as the RG tourney fills, all posted scores and WD's are able to be seen...the the 12hour wait begins.

   

  I'm with Mags here...you play the course, regardless of what's been posted.

   

  Knowing I need a 31 or 28 to win, wouldn't change how I play, just like IRL, you always try to shoot your best score.

• siggipj76 2,989 Posts

  Fri, Oct 17 2014 9:18 PM

  MBaggese:

  DaveStrock:

    I have no idea what you guys are talking about when it comes to seeing ready go tournament scores before the tourney has ended and all scores are posted,,I've been playing for years and have never seen any ready go scores posted until the tourney is over?????what am I missing here???????,,how does someone look at a ready go and see any scores while the tourney is still in progress???,,I've always had to wait until it's finished and posted on my home page and then click on the tourney to see how  I've  done......

  As soon as the RG tourney fills, all posted scores and WD's are able to be seen...the the 12hour wait begins.

   

  I'm with Mags here...you play the course, regardless of what's been posted.

   

  Knowing I need a 31 or 28 to win, wouldn't change how I play, just like IRL, you always try to shoot your best score.

  I see your points, but I do see the top players waiting until the last sec to see if it pays of in credits for them to waste balls.

  I see last entries being top players , not the last 20 ! 

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Fri, Oct 17 2014 10:11 PM

  siggipj76:

  but I do see the top players waiting until the last sec to see if it pays of in credits for them to waste balls.

   

  Interesting perspective, but I think (just my opinion) is the top players know what's needed to win, or make credits in any given RG they enter...heck...I know entering a low wind F9 at BPB...I need a 29 to break even...would guys like Mags, etc, not play it knowing the top score is a 25?

   

  I don't think so, Mag's...etal, would try to post a better 25;)

   

  Heck, he'd be thinking a few hole outs late.!!

   

   

• siggipj76 2,989 Posts

  Fri, Oct 17 2014 10:32 PM

  MBaggese:

  siggipj76:

  but I do see the top players waiting until the last sec to see if it pays of in credits for them to waste balls.

   

  Interesting perspective, but I think (just my opinion) is the top players know what's needed to win, or make credits in any given RG they enter...heck...I know entering a low wind F9 at BPB...I need a 29 to break even...would guys like Mags, etc, not play it knowing the top score is a 25?

   

  I don't think so, Mag's...etal, would try to post a better 25;)

   

  Heck, he'd be thinking a few hole outs late.!!

   

   

  front 9 at beth, not seen that in my time.

  But I am just talking out of experience, of what I have seen! 

  The top players post their score after all has been scored.

  Is it worth it for them ? 

  do they need to spend 30 min, or is there a 30 min that will bring an easier double up score for them ? as a minimum ! 

  I think that rg's should be blind until all scores are played. 

  how can that hurt ?? 

  Will it making it more even ? 

  I don't think that I need to answer that question.

   

• siggipj76 2,989 Posts

  Fri, Oct 17 2014 10:47 PM

  Most post the scores the same as the rest of us, but darn if I don't see a few that always post late after the scores are posted.

  I have notes on this, so coincidence, nope !!

• 1,866 Posts

  Sat, Oct 18 2014 1:20 AM

  SoKoSteve:

  are they going to bring attention to themselves by shooting the lights out?  Of course not, they'll win by one.

  SoKoSteve:

  Or there is this less malicious, but equally problematic scenario.  A player is on the cusp of becoming a TM.  She's played hard and earned her way up, and is now comfortable and competitive at Master tier.  She knows that she needs a 65 on Merion to win the tourney.  She's sitting on the 18th at -7 with a tap in birdie.

  Does she make the putt?

  For most people, it's a yes.  For others, it's a 1 foot three putt

  It doesn't matter. Since the new anti sandbagging rules were implemented 2 years ago, winning any prize in RGs will artificially lower your avg. And there's a certain number of top 3 finishes (different for each tier) you can have before you tier up. I think it's somewhere between 8-10 for TMs. So it doesn't matter if you win 10 RGs with a score of 75 or 55, you'll tier up either way. Of course, this only applies for tiers below legend.

  As for me, I usually wait until the RG fills, cause I like to know what I'm up against. It can be either good or bad. When you see scores are mediocre, it can relax you and you play better, or you can lose your edge and play sloppier than usual. But if the scores are good, there's added pressure, some like it, others don't.

  But since Siggi and Soko think we should all play RGs "blind", you could demand the same for pros in real golf. Just keep the afternoon groups in isolation and only tell them what the morning bunch scored when they finish ,-)