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• GirnBlanston 648 Posts

  Mon, Dec 8 2014 8:02 AM

  I have been a member of wgt for 19 months 21 months now.  I am fortunate enough to have attained legend status.  I strive to become a tour legend but it appears many things have changes about the game.  What I am looking for is some help or explanations for some gross inconsistencies.  Lets put aside that meter issues seem to ruin tournaments scores often enough that I refuse to play credit based tournaments.  If i could be reassured the meter issues would be remedied I may enter some of them.  But the issue I have is with posted distances for approach shots.  on many occasions it appears the posted yardage grossly lies.  I am aware that if I use backspin it will reduce yardage of a shot by 2-3 yards.  I also understand in hi crosswind situations that it it will shorten up the shot.  Allow me to give you some examples of what I am talking about.  Pin is at 0 feet so there is no elevation to accommodate, it is 162 yards to hole with a slight crosswind of 5-7 mph.  I set the club for 160 with half backspin.  Fortunately I ding it.  So here i am thinking I an going to get close enough for a good birdie opportunity.  But alas, the program decided that it would only travel 148 yards.  So I ask you, how does this happen?  Is there some secret code needed to enter to alleviate this issue or is it just a flaw (one of many) in the program.  I really enjoy playing this game but my frustration level is increasing.  I have also lost numerous balls to meter surges and stoppages.  It would be nice if  WGT would reimburse some of those to me, but I'll probably see the sun explode first before that happens.  That being said, in order to save a loyal customer WGT, please offer me some guidance and help or show me where I can get it.

   

• ApexPC 3,164 Posts

  Mon, Dec 8 2014 12:32 PM

  Some of the nuances of this game are not readily apparent, but what you have experienced is not a 'bug'. In fact it is an important, and patented, aspect of World Golf Tour.

  1. The meter plays on your computer and how 'busy' your computer's CPU is has a lot to do with how smooth the meter plays. WGT cannot actively do anything about how your computer is, or isn't, maintained. Here are some things you can do at your end.

  2. How much back/top spin alters how far a shot goes varies by the club and ball used, the wind, the angle of the wind, elevation difference (if any) between where the shot was hit and where the shot lands, and the slope where the ball lands.

  3. As far as reimbursement - re-read the TERMS AND CONDITIONS you agreed to when you joined.

  Beyond all that is VEM which is determined by the Forgivemess and Precision ratings for your clubs and ball:

  VEM

  WGTniv:

  Forgiveness shifts the precision circle left or right (and usually short) depending on how much you mishit and what the forgiveness rating of the club is.  Clubs with lesser forgiveness ratings shift the circle left/right more on mishits.

  This is why (especially on low precision clubs) you can mishit slightly right of the mark and have the ball go left instead.  Mishitting right shifts the circle to the right, but part of the circle is still "leftover" on the left side of the flag, so it has the potential to land there.

  WGTniv:

  The game is pretty simple. 

  Precision controls your accuracy.

  Imagine it's like a circle that surrounds the flagstick when you aim at it.  The size of that circle is related to the precision rating.  The higher the rating the smaller the circle.

  Your ball can land anywhere in the circle on a dinged shot (left or right, long or short).

   It will ALWAYS land in the circle on a ding shot, though sometimes it may land in the center of the circle and sometimes it may land on the very outer edge or anywhere in between those two points.  When it lands on the outer edge this is what you guys have come to know as "the beast".

  Was the shot pre-programmed? Does it know you're standing on the 17th hole at Kiawah?

  No, it's just unfortunate timing.

  The result you see is the logical spread dictated by the precision rating of the club over 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 shots taken on the site.  No matter how big or small the sample it's amazingly consistent because it is after all only a simple mathematical formula.

  The shot data is spread out amongst all users, so there will be times when you run into a lot of "edge cases" (aka deviations, aka outside edge of the precision circle) and times where you seemingly can't miss the center (even when you mishit).

  This is the ebb and flow of the game and it's always been there.  In the short term you will have "bad" days and "good" days.  In the long term (providing they are using the same clubs) any one player will see the same amount of "edge cases" or "deviations" that the rest of the players do.

  Plus some graphical information:  SgtBilko expounded on it,  with graphics.

   

• ISH47 1,963 Posts

  Mon, Dec 8 2014 12:44 PM

  Do you keep notes?  Is it possible that the holes where your approach comes up short are the same ones?

  There are a multitude of factors that could be giving you trouble but I've corrected some of my own problems by at least keeping mental notes of which holes I always come up short.

  Not saying this is your problem at all.. just something to think about. If you know you've been coming up short on a particular hole, add 5 yds.. even if the calculations don't work.

• CanineSupervisor 1,882 Posts

  Mon, Dec 8 2014 1:41 PM

  GirnBlanston:

  Pin is at 0 feet so there is no elevation to accommodate, it is 162 yards to hole with a slight crosswind of 5-7 mph.  I set the club for 160 with half backspin.  Fortunately I ding it.  So here i am thinking I an going to get close enough for a good birdie opportunity.  But alas, the program decided that it would only travel 148 yards.

  That sounds about right to me, OP. I would expect more like 150-153 yards from your description. But then again, I don't know your irons. Those Level 71-X Balls have more spin than you think they do and coupled with the spin rating of your irons...well...there you go.

  What course and hole were you on, can you recall?

  Some holes, as we all know, play long or short, depending on the course. The greens are the same way...some play faster than others and some, slower than you would expect. Copious note taking is a must here if you want any semblance of consistency. 

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• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Dec 8 2014 1:50 PM

  GirnBlanston:

  Fortunately I ding it.  So here i am thinking I an going to get close enough for a good birdie opportunity.  But alas, the program decided that it would only travel 148 yards.  So I ask you, how does this happen?

  What is the carry of the iron you were using? Not the rated distance, the time it's in the air. Your 1/2 backspin is going to control the rollout and choking a club with that wind could very well knock the shot down and with that back spin it's not going to roll like you would expect so you come up short.

  It's easy to get hung up on what a club is supposed to do if you think nothing but what it's rated for.  You need to know how that rated yardage is achieved-how much air time and how much roll. Know that choking a club is not linear. A 90% swing doesn't mean you get 90% distance. Throw in spin, club precision and deviation and you can see what happens.

  If you know what each club carries you go a long way towards alleviating the frustration. :-)

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Mon, Dec 8 2014 2:45 PM

  Hi Feller,

  TL is your goal, and so some thought's if I may more generally, to think about, before I add my 2 cents to your real ?:

  I took the liberty of looking at some of your score history / stats:

  All reasonably rosey, and not much wrong - good news as we are only talking about tweaking.  I will say carry 3 cleve wedges and am pretty confident of tap in close from from 4 through 106 yards (my PW takes over after that).  I am not clever it's just that my wedges are all well spaced for both full shot, and punches.  Not sure how your wedges compare there, but something to think about with your PW (incl its' punching attributes).  You may well have that all covered off anyway, but see forums on wedges (including all shots that can be used) if in doubt.

  To your real point:

  Forget about the rated yardages, and just go with what is.  You choose a L71 Nike ball, and that packs some real distance as well as spin.  Combine that spin with some already fairly high spin / high trajectory clubs and extreme care is needed.  Tiny (and I mean tiny) adjustments to spin = quite large changes to outcome.

  You should go to Beth #10 (practice low cross wind) to map each club off the tee.  5 dings (gotta be ding only really) oer club neutral spin, then 25%, 50%, 75% and FBS.  Also map your long irons same hole and similarly for your approaches that hole hole. Beth #11 I would check my long iron approaches, and also map my mid and short irons inl PW (include punch for the PW).  I would then cross check at least my short irons at Kiawah 1 (low cross wind), and also do my wedges there.

  Beth #12 is also useful for mapping all approaches IMO.

  How far you feel you need to go with that mapping is up to you, but the more you do the more accurate and diverse your options.

  You will then have well mapped clubs, BUT even then some holes will play different and you just have to go with that.  I always find Beth #16 (front pin especially) plays long for one example.

  When in a round that matters always look real hard at that cross wind too.  Bear in mind both cam angles (emphasis on both ANGLES).  Is it really a cross wind for your shot or is some at you or behind.  We are talking high spin clubs / balls and that will matter if any BS.

  Gone on a bit, but hope may have covered something that may help.  See you on the stimp 13 soon:)