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Kiawah Par 3, 17th...

• TopShelf2010 10,927 Posts

  Fri, Dec 12 2014 4:47 PM

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• spy88 205 Posts

  Sat, Dec 13 2014 9:20 AM

  alosso:

  Sorry to say, I can't follow you on this. It's not a bunker, it's a sandy area

  You are correct...it is a sandy area.  Never-the-less, not the correct drop area.

  alosso:

  The premium replay spot there (and at other holes like CCC #10) is a repeat shot from the tee (rule 26-1 a)), but more frequently than not an alternative, unfavourable spot is chosen.

  Agreed...there are no USGA rules pertaining to drop zones so the correct, by the rules, second shot should be either a re-tee or back as far as desired from where it crossed the hazard.

  alosso:

  Another issue which is difficult to follow in the game is the "line from drop point over spot where ball crosses the border to the hole" - there may be some inconsistencies.

  The "difficulty" lies with WGT being unable(?) to program for this, unless a designated drop area is established...easily done.

  I called Kiawah and spoke to the head professional.  During a tournament, there is a designated drop area.  During regular play, the player has the option of dropping his ball on the line it crossed into the hazard as far back as desired, or, they may re-tee.  He stated it is incorrect to have the drop in the waste area regardless of the line crossing over it into the hazard as the player may go further back for the second shot.

  alosso:

  Still, in general, the drop is legal...

  Only because WGT makes it so.

  alosso:

  The best part of it: It's the same for ev1.

  Very true, but does not make it correct.  The only options to conform with local and USGA rules, is to designate a drop area or allow a re-tee, and WGT should incorporate one or the other...or both.

• alosso 21,070 Posts

  Sat, Dec 13 2014 9:47 AM

  Not trying to argue with you - this is a bad bad spot - but to dispute the rules:

  spy88:

  the correct, by the rules, second shot should be either a re-tee or back as far as desired from where it crossed the hazard.

  +1

  spy88:

  (The Kiawah head professional) stated it is incorrect to have the drop in the waste area regardless of the line crossing over it into the hazard as the player may go further back for the second shot.

  Disagreed. To follow bad decisions doesn't make them incorrect.

  spy88:

  The only options to conform with local and USGA rules, is to designate a drop area or allow a re-tee, and WGT should incorporate one or the other...or both.

  We must respect WGT's rule Zero: "no choices for the players", and they chose for us the third option which you mentioned above: Back on that single line as far as they wanted - in the sand.

  BTW: There's at least one further location where a local rule is disregarded - ehm - invented: The road at STA #18 is part of the course, no free drops as given in our game.

• spy88 205 Posts

  Sat, Dec 13 2014 4:09 PM

  I know your not arguing with me alosso and I know you see and understand my point.  It's simply unfortunate that all of this falls on deaf, uncaring ears...as usual.

  My bad with the word "incorrect".  His actual word was "idiotic" and "Who in their right mind would ever drop there, even in a sim?" 

  And I'm sorry alosso but I simply cannot respect stupidity.  It's bad enough that I (we) have to tolerate and accept it (as your example portrays), but respect it?  Nope.  When it is as blatant as a forced drop in a waste area, I must vent...☻even if to no avail.  It simply isn't couture with respect to actual play.

   

   

   

• Wontonamo 2,269 Posts

  Sat, Dec 13 2014 4:11 PM

  TopShelf2010:

  Wontonamo:

  and if i actually adjust for it, its in the left bunker.

  That is exactly the correct play I would believe. Is it not better to play from the sand than lose a ball/stroke for landing in the water? 

  The point being is that if you think there is a chance of losing a ball in water, why not play a safer shot?

  well if anyone wants to play for par that would be the play i guess.

  when i play this game, i have to assume the variables given to me are in play ie the wind.

  now if i ding a shot and the wind doesnt work, and the ball goes straight into the lake, is it because i did something wrong? and when i get a drop 160y away in 15/20 sand thats just rubbing salt into the wound.

  sure its an easy shot to save bogey, but why did the wind not work in the first place.

  ive played enough rounds to recognise whether its the game doing it to me or my fault.

  other places the wind doesnt work - congo 6,10 , 11, 18;  pretty much anywhere theres water lol

  to be honest its not really a gripe - its just how the game is - its veered towards making money for wgt and i guess thats how they program those holes.

  i do agee the drop point is pretty lame, thats the whole point of this thread i guess.

   

   

• alosso 21,070 Posts

  Sun, Dec 14 2014 1:19 AM

  spy88:

  I know your not arguing with me alosso and I know you see and understand my point.  It's simply unfortunate that all of this falls on deaf, uncaring ears...as usual.

  I concur with you: It's plain stupid not to use the tee on a necessary drop.

  OTOH, the company hasn't made any move AFAIK to change any flaws and glitches and errors on the courses, except for some invisible trees.

  It is as it is, and Niebuhr's Serenity Prayer keeps my venting low ;)

  Have fun!

• spy88 205 Posts

  Sun, Dec 14 2014 9:14 AM

  alosso:

  except for some invisible trees.

  This was a extremely important addition for the game and its members!  ☺

• alosso 21,070 Posts

  Sun, Dec 14 2014 12:18 PM

  To be clear: The action was to delete those invisible branches!

• renniw52 5,385 Posts

  Sun, Dec 14 2014 12:31 PM

  As bad as I suck (still) at this game, I have had 2 HIO on 17 Kia, and 2 on BPB 3. I erased one at Kia in order to post my first DE, the others are still on my replays.

• fatdan 3,379 Posts

  Sun, Dec 14 2014 12:36 PM

  Depends on which pin placement...

  I don't even look at the flag when the pin is up front, I play the shot to the flat area left of the pin behind the trap...takes the water out of play and is an easy putt even if it is a 20 ft'er...

  back pin is a b!tch regardless of wind direction...

  on topic, i have only been in the water once and didn't have any problem with the shot....