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• JimbeauC 5,835 Posts

  Sat, Dec 27 2014 9:54 AM

  MCH2:

  I do have an a question for others on how THEY would play this shot pictured below.

  That looks pretty close to a pure quartering wind. I figure about 2/3 of wind speed equates to that number of yards for a 200 yard shot. Since this is a bit over 100, I'd play it 4.5 to 5 yards of wind effect, both head and side. So about 4ish yards right and with a distance calc of 113, though I might add a couple of yards just because it's BPB. 

  Then I'd wait for the idiot wind vem to kick in and end up in the rough. 

  Hi Ho.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Dec 27 2014 10:29 AM

  MCH2:

  3) How do YOU figure how much to add for this shot.

  I'll give you a feel player's perspective. (97 Nikes with 33Callaway.) I don't add or subtract yards as much as I think "what will that wind do to the arc of the shot?" By the direction, it's going to move it to the left a lot but not affect the distance as much. Top spin will overcome that.

  I have 2 choices here-push my CG 56W with top spin or choke my 120 yd set PW with back spin. For that particular shot and pin I would be inclined to push the 56W with full top spin simply because I can hit it full and if it's short it's in a good position to putt.

  Hitting the PW, I would use fbs, aim more right and hit to the middle of the blue ruler on the meter, making sure to miss a line or 2 late (into the wind.) Choking with spin invites exaggerated consequences when you miss and in strong wind like that you can turn a birdie into a bogey real easy. Lot of variables when you aren't hitting full.

  The key for me is envisioning the flight of the ball and how it's affected by the wind. How would a good shot land? Roll up or stick? Picture it in your mind and then figure out which club/shot you can pull it off with.  :-)

• Woodoworkery 3,498 Posts

  Sat, Dec 27 2014 10:34 AM

  I would hit 117 ( 61 Nike ball , Nike L97 )  PW 120 spin dot  just barely below #on ball , full power

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sat, Dec 27 2014 10:39 AM

  Woodoworkery:

  I would hit 117 ( 61 Nike ball , Nike L97 )  PW 120 spin dot  just barely below #on ball , full power

  Think I agree with you here, Gary. Looking back at the shot it's the back pin and that wind is a little more quartered than I originally thought. The 56W would prob leave too long a putt.

• ApexPC 3,164 Posts

  Sat, Dec 27 2014 12:17 PM

  I would add 1 yard for the 4 feet of higher elevation.

  I would add 17 x .7 / 3 = 4 yards for the wind.

  106 +1 +4 = 111.

  A headwind adds effect to back spin so I would not move the ball spin setting with that club.

  111 / 120 = 92.5

  I would use 93% to 95% of a full swing, would move the aim point 12.5 feet into the wind, and try to Ding! (Excellent) the hit.

• shovlovin 2,112 Posts

  Sat, Dec 27 2014 2:11 PM

  Good thread, thx for input guys

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Sat, Dec 27 2014 7:09 PM

  I saw your screenshot MCH and I have to tell ya I got déjà vu all over again.  Almost 5 years ago I posted this image

  

  about halfway down in this thread  because I was confused about reading the wind and asked for people to analyze it.  Thankfully I've improved.  LOL

  OK here's how I would hit your shot

  I use the wind direction from whatever camera view is closest to the the line from the ball to the pin.  In your case its the overhead view, however the difference is only a few degrees and I disregard it.  I used 17mph at 7:30 for the wind power and angle.

  106yds + 1.3yd for elevation (4/3) + (17 x .7)yds for effective head wind at that angle and take a third of it for shots around 100yds + 2 yds because I will be aiming right of the pin and more into the heavy wind(I add less if moderate or low winds).

  So yardage is 106 + 1.3 + [(17x.7)/3] + 2 = 113.3yds

  I'll move the aimer 7.5yds right of the pin.  5.5 yds for a 12 crosswind and full backspin + 2yds because its heavy wind.  That's my experience, heavy winds move the ball more.  I don't add any extra for low or moderate.

  I'd hit my 97nike PW at 98.5% power with full backspin and try to ding it.

  As an example, here's a replay of a shot I hit from a similar spot with similar wind using the above methodology.  I used the 19mph wind at 8 o'clock.  Effective headwind is 19 x .5 = 9.5.  Yardage to hit was 112.5. I hit my nike PW at 97.8% with full backspin and aimed 10yds right of pin.

  http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=d50b310d-39f8-4e59-8200-a40f000455f2

   

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sun, Dec 28 2014 12:17 AM

  MCH2:

  How do YOU, not me, calculate how much yardage to add for wind direction.

  IMO

  Effective HW is about 15MPH bearing mind cam angle etc.  I have nothing more precise than that.

  106 out and up 4 = 107 ish total

  Effective HW 15MPH so 1.07 x 7.5 = say 8 so add 8 to 107 = 115.  That pin always seems to play a little long (whatever the condition), so I would hit that 117 yards.  My clubs that's dot half way down the number (on my ball), just shy full power.  Anything within 12 feet though that pin leaves a pretty easy putt, but hopefully I would be closer than that. I would aim a solid 8 yards right and hopefully miss right by a fraction also.

  Pretty simple 3 second calcs, but gives me a good start point, BUT nothing replaces experience IMO.  This is where some with v complicated calcs seem to fall over as they can't get past it not computing, and just play.

  Lastly what are your calcs just out of interest?

• MCH2 36 Posts

  Sun, Dec 28 2014 9:16 AM

  First thank you all for your input.  This has been a great look at folks methodology and not easily shared by many and a trade secret to some.

   

  Jimbog1964:

  Lastly what are your calcs just out of interest?

   

  Mine are still a work in progress... don't laugh :-}

  elevation  4 x .23 = .92 yds

  wind  106 yds x .055 (intensity & angle of wind factor) = 5.83yds

  106 + .92 + 5.83 = 112.75 yds total distance to hit with a Nike level 97 PW & Nike 61 ball with a just above center ball strike at appx. 93% to 94%  power.

   

  My wind calculation takes into account that the picture is off-set some and the assumption that if you rotate to a position inline with the ball & pin the wind intensity should be mitigated with the change in direction.  In theory this seems logical, but on a video game based on math, from hole to hole, course to course, this may not always hold true; nor any methodology entirely.  Practice, practice, practice; notes, notes, notes.

• SweetiePie 4,925 Posts

  Sun, Dec 28 2014 10:38 AM

  As a fast playing, feel playing, confirmed wind hating lazy bones, I would select my L-97 Nike, 120 yd PW, put it in punch @103yd, apply top spin on my Nike Plat ball, put the aimer in the middle/right green and pull the trigger.