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Sat, Feb 28 2015 4:44 PM (19 replies)
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  • annie330
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    Sat, Feb 21 2015 5:42 PM

    when we lose a ball due to worn out or make a splash in the water and it our last one in the sleeve I think that we should be able to choose a ball from our stock instead of using one of the unlimited balls. The pros are allowed to change to another ball if the old one is not found, then let us use our stock balls instead of the unlimited free ones.

  • ApexPC
    3,164 Posts
    Sat, Feb 21 2015 6:00 PM

    It may not be all that easy to program the game so that can happen,

    BECAUSE,

    Those other balls you have in stock are not out there on the golf course with you in your bag

    We can only 'equip' our bag with 1 make/model of ball.

    The PGA pros are restricted to playing the same make/model of ball they start the round with. If they run out of balls they are allowed to get more of the same make/model of ball within a limited time frame. If they don't make the time frame or otherwise come up with more of the same make/model of ball they are disqualified.

    The USGA Rules of Golf book cover the same issue for amateur play in Appendix 1, Local Rules - Conditions of the Competition - Part C, 1. c.  - The One Ball Condition - which is a local rule the tournament committee can invoke before a tournament starts. WGT is the tournament committee here.

  • srellim234
    2,077 Posts
    Sat, Feb 21 2015 6:57 PM

    The USGA One Ball Condition does not apply to lower level competitions. It does not apply to practice. It does not apply to 1 on 1 competitions when a tournament is not involved. WGT should not be the self appointed tournament committee for country clubs and their internal club tourneys. The one ball condition should be up to the competitors and the country clubs. If WGT wants to enforce a one ball condition on their own tournaments, fine.

    The one ball condition as it is applied here on this site is 100% about selling new balls. WGT has a huge financial incentive in preventing people from using their entire ball purchase. There may well be millions of dollars worth of unused "hits" that are a result of a WGT rule enforcement they fabricated.

  • alosso
    21,093 Posts
    Sat, Feb 21 2015 11:04 PM

    srellim234:
    The one ball condition as it is applied here on this site is 100% about selling new balls.

    I couldn't agree more when looking at the One Ball Condition.

    But I'd add another reason:

    One type of ball in the bag and a fallback to Starters may be the easiest way to program it, and it's done and payed. Now, to create a second ball slot and the change between them would cost working time (= money) AND reduce the income (when unused hits are being used). Currently, I see no incentive justifying such change. It may come once the competition is closer to their heels.

    And players would immediately come and demand for a third slot and a forth...

  • alanti
    10,564 Posts
    Sat, Feb 21 2015 11:27 PM

    srellim234:
    does not apply to lower level competitions

    Sorry this is not true - a local committee can invoke this ruling - at my club in Sydney, this rule is in play for all medal rounds, so it can apply to lower levels.

    As for reasoning Alosso is correct IMO. Sad but true, especially when it applies to a practice round, as well as being wrong. But so many aspects are wrong (drop zones/lost balls etc).

    All said and done, I do not have a problem with it as it is the same for everyone and we know the rules.

  • courteneyfish
    15,796 Posts
    Sun, Feb 22 2015 12:16 AM
    Try some cheaper balls. At your tier you don't really need the granny balls. I've sent some Volviks to try.
  • alosso
    21,093 Posts
    Sun, Feb 22 2015 12:38 AM

    alanti:
    As for reasoning Alosso is correct IMO. Sad but true, especially when it applies to a practice round, as well as being wrong. But so many aspects are wrong (drop zones/lost balls etc).

    I sum this all up under "easy programming", with a special notice to the game's principle (or doctrine) of "No choice to the players". Drop selection is an unwanted choice, unplayable ball is an unwanted choice, different ball type is an unwanted choice.

    Any extra for practice rounds will cost money and raise the demand for ranked rounds. They only introduced the Mulligan and the Gimme, both clearly barred in competetive golf games, though the Mulligan might be converted into a limited "unplayable" option.

    Apart from all these thoughts, you are correct, the automated drop selection need not be that awful (CCC #10, KIA #17...)

  • CanineSupervisor
    1,882 Posts
    Sun, Feb 22 2015 6:21 AM

    srellim234:
    The USGA One Ball Condition does not apply to lower level competitions. It does not apply to practice. It does not apply to 1 on 1 competitions when a tournament is not involved. WGT should not be the self appointed tournament committee for country clubs and their internal club tourneys. The one ball condition should be up to the competitors and the country clubs. If WGT wants to enforce a one ball condition on their own tournaments, fine.

    You are absolutely correct, srellim.

    Before you go spouting off about committees, Apex, learn to read the rules thoroughly when you Google them. I have a hard copy of the rules if you want me to mail one to you.

    The Rules of Golf do not require a player to use the same brand and type of golf ball throughout the stipulated round. A player may use a different ball to start each hole. However, the Committee may adopt as a Condition of a Competition, the 'One Ball Condition.' When this condition is adopted, players are required to use the same brand and type of golf ball throughout the stipulated round. 

    (If this is the case, then WGT should afford the player time to "buy" more balls after losing one. Correct?)

    ‘The One Ball Rule’ is generally adopted only in events that are limited to professional golfers or highly-skilled amateur golfers. Generally, this condition of competition is not adopted in club-level competitions.

    They should not be allowed to replace your lost ball with a dimpleless starter ball. Period. In any comp I have taken part in (and I've played in many USGA events), you have no more than 5 mins to replace your ball with one of the same type you started the hole with (this Ruling also applies to looking for a lost ball). As stated above, you are permitted to change from, let's say, a ProV1 to a Callaway at the next tee, should you so choose. You may not change balls on a putting surface, however.

    To have to play out a round with a ball, not of your choice, is a joke here and against any USGA rule I know of. 

    As far as committees go, the person creating the conditions of the tournament is the committee by USGA definition. Period. If WGT wants to invoke the 'One Ball Rule' in their events, then so be it. If JoeBawbag ("the committee') wants to invoke it when he creates a CC event, then that's the way it is.

    @ Alosso - speaking as a software engineer, programming the game to allow these changes is easier than WGT makes it out to be; there would be no need for extra slots as you called them. You could load two variations of golf balls before play, just like you can change clubs beforehand. Easy peasy.

  • alosso
    21,093 Posts
    Sun, Feb 22 2015 6:48 AM

    Excuse me, me thinks that the golfing analogy stops at a certain point, therefore I disregard all that One Ball Condition talk. To me, it is a convenient yet wrong explanation.

    In the core, this is a programmed computer game.

    CanineSupervisor:
    You could load two variations of golf balls before play

    Where do you put them in the game? The difference is visible at the equipment window: There's a spot in the bag to drag the ball into - two balls require two of these ... slots(?) => graphic work.
    Isn't something like an array with a ball ID (at least) necessary for each ball, instead of a simple variable for one ball? => programming work.

    This proves: No matter how easy it may be, there's work at hand costing manpower, thus money. The result in revenue being probably negative, why should they do it? And if they do it, wouldn't they want to get the costs and the diminishing revenue covered?

    I for one don't want to suffer from rising ball prices for such bean counters' gimmick. Serious players have enough of their ball type in their bag, they don't need it.

  • MichaelStroke
    2,066 Posts
    Sun, Feb 22 2015 7:32 AM

    It's all a moot point now.  When you are in the middle of a round and suddenly have one ball left of that type in your bag, they immediately give you the option to purchase more without quitting the round

    If you're blind or "too good" to do that, that's on you.  Frankly I think they should just make you forfeit the match.  That'd teach these people.

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