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Sun, May 17 2015 6:08 PM (564 replies)
  • Yiannis1970
    3,304 Posts
    Fri, Mar 6 2015 3:44 PM

    fatdan:

    Yiannis1970:

    My p drives and leaves me 228 from the hole. Wind 9-11 at 9.30 hours. Grabbing BB, full bs and played a ding shot at ~220 (90%). Result: The ball flew over the green and went in water at 245!!!

     

    Just to give ya another point of view, from 228 that shot plays 215 as I recall, w/o a very strong headwind I wouldn't even think about a 3wd....

     

     

    Thanks pal, but after that shot i prefer:

     

    Menu button, Concede the hole!!!

     

    Better safe than sorry!! :)

     

  • jayw4862
    3,364 Posts
    Fri, Mar 6 2015 3:48 PM

    fmagnets:

    krskfr:

    i agree, Magnets is wrong on this one, he wont accept that though. lol

    Let me rephrase then. It's a 9 yards radius for those that know where it ought to go to start with ;-)

    LOL

  • fmagnets
    3,640 Posts
    Fri, Mar 6 2015 4:47 PM

    Noteworthy dedication to detail, very impressive. Looks like I will have to go into EVEN more detail!! I think you were over-hitting your 3wd by 5yds for the raw yardage/wind/elevation combination. Usually that pin plays 5ish yds long though, so you would be spot on on average. This is an unusual feature in WGT that often occurs when you have higher ground before an upsloping landing area (think no. 14 at Pinehurst for example). No idea why it happens.

    There seems to be a trigger point with these types of shots where, if you go past a certain yardage, the playing long by 3-5yds goes out of the window and suddenly the shot goes it's full yardage. The very flat trajectory and reduced spin of a knock down 3wd means once it clears the back of the green it doesn't need many extra yards to clear the longest bit of rough which is 4ft lower than the hole. So, overhitting by 5yds, 9 yards of extra deviated yardage, 2yds for the elevation drop - this could carry into the water without the need to attribute bugs to the shot. Icon also says that full bs and reduced power leads to even more deviation, but I have nothing on this.

    Or just hit the 3i which is more precise despite what the dots say!!

  • billclintonfan
    465 Posts
    Fri, Mar 6 2015 4:55 PM

    The dots are still way too slow.  This ruins the game. 

  • tramilleo
    1,895 Posts
    Fri, Mar 6 2015 5:00 PM

    Though i have never been a strong putter in the virtual world, I am no idiot, WGT why did you mess with the green dots again after your last debacle, i mean attempt at messing with the dots. Don't you remember how we had to beg you to make the dots show again?

    Remember that? I do and you were a terrible company back then,and have grown worse. There is 0 leadership at this company,0 customer service, but i digress. Why do you try to fix anything, when it is so clear to all ,that the people you have employed are incompetent,unqualified at best.Could you please revert the green dot speed back to what it was before your step-back i mean update

  • jayw4862
    3,364 Posts
    Fri, Mar 6 2015 5:09 PM

    fmagnets:

    I think you were over-hitting your 3wd by 5yds for the raw yardage/wind/elevation combination. Usually that pin plays 5ish yds long though, so you would be spot on on average. This is an unusual feature in WGT that often occurs when you have higher ground before an upsloping landing area (think no. 14 at Pinehurst for example). No idea why it happens.

    There seems to be a trigger point with these types of shots where, if you go past a certain yardage, the playing long by 3-5yds goes out of the window and suddenly the shot goes it's full yardage. The very flat trajectory and reduced spin of a knock down 3wd means once it clears the back of the green it doesn't need many extra yards to clear the longest bit of rough which is 4ft lower than the hole. So, overhitting by 5yds, 9 yards of extra deviated yardage, 2yds for the elevation drop - this could carry into the water without the need to attribute bugs to the shot.

    Exactly what I was going to write/type. You beat me to it (I type with one finger, so I'm slower).

    fmagnets:
    Icon also says that full bs and reduced power leads to even more deviation, but I have nothing on this.

    Neither do I. Icon is wrong!!! :-)

    Glad this got straightened out.

  • Yiannis1970
    3,304 Posts
    Fri, Mar 6 2015 5:41 PM

    fmagnets:

    Noteworthy dedication to detail, very impressive. Looks like I will have to go into EVEN more detail!! I think you were over-hitting your 3wd by 5yds for the raw yardage/wind/elevation combination. Usually that pin plays 5ish yds long though, so you would be spot on on average. This is an unusual feature in WGT that often occurs when you have higher ground before an upsloping landing area (think no. 14 at Pinehurst for example). No idea why it happens.

    There seems to be a trigger point with these types of shots where, if you go past a certain yardage, the playing long by 3-5yds goes out of the window and suddenly the shot goes it's full yardage. The very flat trajectory and reduced spin of a knock down 3wd means once it clears the back of the green it doesn't need many extra yards to clear the longest bit of rough which is 4ft lower than the hole. So, overhitting by 5yds, 9 yards of extra deviated yardage, 2yds for the elevation drop - this could carry into the water without the need to attribute bugs to the shot. Icon also says that full bs and reduced power leads to even more deviation, but I have nothing on this.

    Or just hit the 3i which is more precise despite what the dots say!!

     

    I understand perfectly what are you are saying, but, allow me to go in detail for one last time. I won't repeat that i have played the shot many times in the past, hope someone reding my posts. Let's go to the hole...

     

    First of all, the whole concept of this hole is wrong. If iam not wrong, the hole is down like 30fts or something. I remember the first time had to do the approach there picked up a lighter club and gave the usual 10-15 yds less. Instead the ball came up way short. So, after a bit of practice, used to play that hole more or less at the indicating yardage setting up accordingly my stroke. A 9.30 wind would carry my ball a bit further but since don't like to play without spin, my 220 Nike certainly could not make it for 228 distance. Almost certainly i 'd came up short...that's why i used a 3WD contained shot at 220. Perhaps it was a wrong choice, perhaps i should have used the 3i...in any case though, the ball can't go in the water under these conditions for any probable or improbable reason...and for that, iam certain.

    As for BB 3WD, why a similar thing never happened on the 3d hole of BB, for instance? How come there every shot is perfect or near perfect? (also this hole is 10 down if i remeber correctly). If i play this stroke 1 million times in Bethpage with a wind at 9.30, full bs at 220, 1 million and 1 times won't reach the hole at 240.

     

     

    Forgot:

    9th on BB. Dots still, putt from 20 fts. Memory serves me well and i remembered there was a break left to right. Aimed half grid to the left and the ball finished just right the hole.

     

  • fmagnets
    3,640 Posts
    Fri, Mar 6 2015 7:13 PM

    Yiannis1970:

    in any case though, the ball can't go in the water under these conditions for any probable or improbable reason...and for that, iam certain.

    As for BB 3WD, why a similar thing never happened on the 3d hole of BB, for instance? How come there every shot is perfect or near perfect? (also this hole is 10 down if i remeber correctly). If i play this stroke 1 million times in Bethpage with a wind at 9.30, full bs at 220, 1 million and 1 times won't reach the hole at 240.

    Yet the ball did go in the water, so it can!!!! Go and play the same shot another few hundred times, and another one might go in the water long, and a couple left too for good measure. You are right that the 220yd 3i won't reach, because you are trying to play for 220yds + 5yds for the shape of the green. Take 5 pixels less than full backspin for the shot and it would be about right though. 

    Won't see that with a 220yd 3wd shot on the 3rd at BPB because it is not 35ft downhill, and the green is a different topography where you are not having to add yards from the usual to get the average distance right. You can certainly go 9 yards left, right or short on this hole when hitting for the correct distance and dinging, and I have done. Long is less likely because the back of the green is higher than the hole, but it's still possible.

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Fri, Mar 6 2015 9:05 PM

    Presumably by order of the brass the communications department is once again MIA in response to the latest and arguably greatest almighty balls up, really v disrespectful. Morals out the window maybe you have a better resourced strategic unit than the ideas / engineering department.

    Guess still too much to ask when you expect to finish with the monkey wrench??

  • 1yes1no
    223 Posts
    Fri, Mar 6 2015 9:40 PM

    Jimbog1964:
    Presumably by order of the brass the communications department is once again MIA.....

    Sorry Jim, they are on walkabout.  You know, like that Dundee fellow.  So I guess we might as well get with the mood.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rUKiPyhy-0

     

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