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Thu, May 14 2015 10:43 PM (8 replies)
  • hyrus
    292 Posts
    Wed, May 13 2015 7:52 PM

    When you have one good ball left you ca't tell how much life is left in it until you actually take it out and play. How about a gauge on the equipment page that will tell you whether or not it has enough life left to use it or not before you get out there with it? And how about a second choice ball option instead of going straight back to the starter ball?  What good does it do you to have one class of ball left with almost no life in it? You can't use it again   ( unless you can immediately afford 3 more ) for fear it will expire and they just clog up your ball area.

  • WGTShamWow
    924 Posts
    Thu, May 14 2015 10:06 AM

    hyrus:

    When you have one good ball left you ca't tell how much life is left in it until you actually take it out and play. How about a gauge on the equipment page that will tell you whether or not it has enough life left to use it or not before you get out there with it? And how about a second choice ball option instead of going straight back to the starter ball?  What good does it do you to have one class of ball left with almost no life in it? You can't use it again   ( unless you can immediately afford 3 more ) for fear it will expire and they just clog up your ball area.

    Hi hyrus,

    Thanks for the suggestion and would be nice to have this feature. The reason we do not have a 2nd ball option is due to the one ball rule.

    During a golf game, its required to play with the same kind of ball from start to end, and if you were not able to, it would be a forced forfeit. This is why you are not allowed to switch to a different type of ball mid game.

    We thought that for WGT, instead of forcing a forfeit that it would be better to have a ball (starter ball) that you would be given automatically instead of being forfeited from a round.

    What I tend to do on balls that I only have one left of is equip the ball, start a quick practice stroke play round to check durability, and then quit the round. Since its practice, it wont count against you.

    All the Best,
    WGTShamWow 

     

  • alosso
    21,070 Posts
    Thu, May 14 2015 11:38 AM

    WGTShamWow:
    The reason we do not have a 2nd ball option is due to the one ball rule.

    Pardon me, there is no one ball rule in the rules of golf, and WGT has never invoked the One Ball Condition in their CCs (FAQs). Please refer to Chad's statement in the video chat 2012 which gives hints to the reasons.

    WGTShamWow:
    During a golf game, its required to play with the same kind of ball from start to end,

    Excuse me to say, this false statement doesn't receive any truth by repeating. See my explanation elsewhere.

  • TarheelsRule
    5,564 Posts
    Thu, May 14 2015 12:45 PM

    Rule 15-1

    Changing golf balls during a hole or a stipulated round

    Q.May a player change golf balls during the play of a hole or a stipulated round? When the player is permitted to substitute another golf ball may he change to a ball of a different brand or type?

    A.Rules 15-1 and 15-2 explain that the player must complete play of the hole with the ball with which he began the hole unless he is proceeding under a Rule that permits him to substitute a ball. The player may change balls between the play of two holes as well. 

    Rules 26-1 (Water Hazard Rule), 27-1 (Ball Lost or Out of Bounds) and 28 (Ball Unplayable) are examples of Rules that permit the player to substitute another ball. Rule 5-3 permits a player to substitute another ball during the play of a hole when his original ball has become unfit for play during the play of that hole. Other Rules (e.g. Rule 18, Rule 24, and Rule 25-1) permit the player to substitute another ball only if the original ball is not immediately recoverable. 

    Note that Rule 16-1b, the Rule that allows the player to lift his ball from the putting green, does not permit the player to substitute another ball; this precludes the player from substituting a “putting ball.” 

    A player who substitutes another ball when not permitted to do so incurs the general penalty (loss of hole in match play or a two stroke penalty in stroke play) under the applicable Rule. For instance, a player taking relief, without penalty, under Rule 25-1 due to interference from ground under repair is required to do so with the original ball (unless it is not immediately recoverable). If that player substitutes a ball (and makes a stroke with it) when his original ball is immediately recoverable he incurs the general penalty under Rule 25-1 (as it is the applicable Rule in this case). 

    When changing balls, the player is permitted to substitute a ball of another brand or type unless the Committee has adopted the One Ball Condition of Competition (see Appendix I; Part C; Section 1c). This optional condition (usually referred to as ‘The One Ball Rule’) is generally adopted only in events that are limited to professional golfers or highly-skilled amateur golfers. Generally, this condition of competition is not adopted in club-level competitions.

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    I guess that WGT is going on the part of the rule that says that you must finish the hole with the same ball that you started unless as the rules say you hit into a hazard and the ball could not be retrieved, or it was lost.

    The confusion is that the PGA operates under different ball rules than does the USGA.  In the PGA you are required to finish each round with the exact brand and type of ball that you started the round.  For example if you start with a Titleist Pro V1 you must finish with a Titleist Pro V1, you can not switch to a Callaway ball for example during the round.

    I think the original comment was in request to a ball counter.   The OP was discussing the issue of having a ball in your bag.   It could be one that has been hit once or 100 times and it is not possible to know how much play is left.  Once you start the game you can see an estimate of the life but you still don't know if you can finish the round with it.

    This is especially frustrating when you are trying to clean out your inventory of balls or have switched to a new ball and want to use up the old ones, even if they only have a difference of the vapor trial or color you still can't use them.

    It's a legitimate question and since the ball life bar is there, I have to think that WGT knows exactly how many hits are left and could tell the players.

  • alosso
    21,070 Posts
    Thu, May 14 2015 1:22 PM

    I guess that Rule 15 is not meant in this discussion. Otherways, we'd have a ball changing option between the holes.

    TarheelsRule:
    The confusion is that the PGA operates under different ball rules than does the USGA.  In the PGA you are required to finish each round with the exact brand and type of ball that you started the round.  For example if you start with a Titleist Pro V1 you must finish with a Titleist Pro V1, you can not switch to a Callaway ball for example during the round.

    There should be no confusion in WGT's statements. The golf rules are obviously identical for all golfers worldwide, as published unisono by the USGA and the R&A.

    In addition to these rules, the PGA has the One Ball Condition included in their CCs (taken from Appendix A of the Rules of Golf) with the effects that you described.

    WGT states the programmed facts in their FAQs, no reference to the rules & conditions there. Anyway, they should avoid wrong statements here.

  • MichaelStroke
    2,066 Posts
    Thu, May 14 2015 1:49 PM

    It's good for their bottom line too.  I've had hundreds upon hundreds of matches where I go 3 up after 3 holes.  If I could, I would switch to starter balls to save money, knowing that I could beat my opponent easily without wasting durability on someone that I don't need to use it on to win.

    It also prevents the "bait and switch" crowd who portray themselves as using cheap balls at the beginning, and then BAM! - expensive Nikes.

  • andyson
    6,415 Posts
    Thu, May 14 2015 2:22 PM

    TarheelsRule:
    It's a legitimate question and since the ball life bar is there, I have to think that WGT knows exactly how many hits are left and could tell the players.

    Of course they know how many hits remain.  However, WGT would be revealing the true durability figures for all balls and in turn any inequities in # of hits vs the advertised durabilities.  It would be breaking the Hold-Your-Tongue tribe vows.

  • Boomerboy44
    1,514 Posts
    Thu, May 14 2015 3:03 PM

    Hold-Your-Tongue tribe vows................never heard of this tribe........LMFAO   !!!

  • alosso
    21,070 Posts
    Thu, May 14 2015 10:43 PM

    It's the Hold-Your-Tongue tribe of Bay Area, discovered by a famous German enthymologist who wants to stay anonymous.

    Regards to Andyson!

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