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Sat, Dec 25 2010 10:51 PM (9 replies)
  • BernardDarwin
    35 Posts
    Wed, Dec 22 2010 7:55 AM

    There is an obvious need to be able to employ handicapping in tournament events as an option when creating a tournament. This would attract more players of all tiers. And it would have the additional benefit of encouraging honestly recorded scoring in day to day play. The better players would retain an advantage of course due to more consistent play but every player would have a reasonable chance of a good showing if they played the best golf of which they were capable.

  • SgtDoodles
    3,112 Posts
    Wed, Dec 22 2010 12:12 PM

    Tournaments are for fun and not for trying to make a profit. Practice is required to play well and not handicapping that just makes you look good compared to the best players. And there would be even more people tricking the system. No no no please no handicapping! 

    Doodles

  • United4Life
    104 Posts
    Wed, Dec 22 2010 3:31 PM

    SgtDoodles:

    Tournaments are for fun and not for trying to make a profit. Practice is required to play well and not handicapping that just makes you look good compared to the best players. And there would be even more people tricking the system. No no no please no handicapping! 

    Doodles

     

    I agree with ya Sgt and there are much more important improvements to be made anyway

  • stencil
    455 Posts
    Wed, Dec 22 2010 5:58 PM

    NOOOOOO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you do this then you talk about having sandbaggers...phew... everyone would be a bagger then.

  • BernardDarwin
    35 Posts
    Thu, Dec 23 2010 2:17 PM

    Thanks for your reply. You are quite right that tournament play is for fun - I entered a tournament the other day and came in first and won 18 cents. Who cares about the money? But where's the fun in playing a scratch player if you're a 10 handicapper? Why bother to enter a tournament at all if you can't possibly compete? Of course players who practice will become better players. My experience in real life golf is this: the better players generally win anyway because their games are more consistent and that's as it should be. But remember: whether you are scratch or a 24 handicap, you must play the best golf of which you are currently capable to win a tournament.

    I am fairly new to WGT so I don't know to what extent sandbagging occurs but so far what I've observed is that those who do so do it in the other direction: i.e. falsifying their scoring averages downward by not completing their bad rounds. Handicapping would shine the light of truth on such dishonesty pretty quickly if their own innate sense of ethics did not.

    At any rate, whether you like the idea or not, handicapping is suggested as an option only when creating a tournament and your participation would be entirely a matter of choice.

     

     

     

     

  • BernardDarwin
    35 Posts
    Fri, Dec 24 2010 7:15 AM

    Thanks for your reply. You obviously disagree strongly with the idea of handicapping as an option. As you are a veteran player, I'm interested in knowing what sandbagging you've observed in the game up until now.

  • stencil
    455 Posts
    Fri, Dec 24 2010 8:14 AM

    Well Bernard I am not one of the people around here that sits on the home page looking at players score history and snooping on the forums looking for any signs of sandbagging and cheating. But i have seen a few amateurs and hacks score history that were shooting 130 and up in regular ranked rounds. And then right above that they shoot 74 in a tournament. There are some that do that. And too many for my liking. There are also people (barmyarmy) progress a very long way in their first account to tour master or even legend tier. And then leave that account and start a new one and tear up the hack and amateur ranks. It just doesn't look right when a player shoots 33 on kiawah front 9 the first day they joined. Nobody does that..... legally..... 

    So that is just my experience with sandbagging and cheating. And handicapping would enlarge that group by ALOT in my opinion.

    Stencil

     

  • BernardDarwin
    35 Posts
    Sat, Dec 25 2010 7:26 PM

    Thanks Stencil. So I guess if handicapping were available as an option, it might best be selected only for local club tournaments where the players are more or less familiar with each other.

  • lee22sharon
    1,419 Posts
    Sat, Dec 25 2010 9:53 PM

    here, here!  tiers, levels, crapp, all crapp. handicap is only way to go.   you are going to have cheaters in any system no matter what., but a well thought out handicap system will cut the heart of most cheaters.

    my 2 cents.

     

  • VanHalenLover
    1,422 Posts
    Sat, Dec 25 2010 10:51 PM

    I agree with you lee22,

    unfortunately, the tiers and levels are the wgt has chosen to level the playing field, and a handicapped system will not work unless those changes are undone - I don't see it happening.

    If you want to play fair handicapped games, check out the golfseeker community.

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