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As simple as hitting the ding

• mantis0014 8,946 Posts

  Thu, Jun 18 2015 3:47 AM

  LOLserver:

  I am sometimes tented to "join the force" and use a cheat....but not, it would take the fun of my perception of the game ; )))

  Wash you mouth out with soap followed by a bit of chilly powder Eric  ....lol

  -Roger

• LOLserver 3,522 Posts

  Thu, Jun 18 2015 4:30 AM

  mantis0014:

  LOLserver:

  I am sometimes tented to "join the force" and use a cheat....but not, it would take the fun of my perception of the game ; )))

  Wash you mouth out with soap followed by a bit of chilly powder Eric  ....lol

  -Roger

  Hahaha...good one Roger m8.

  "tempted" it was btw...lol. 

  Nah m8, if I was going to

   

  • fill up boxes with data and press the button "take this shot", 
  • or have many excel figures to copy/paste and get to magically "ding", 
  • or magically release the mouse left button and see my "prefect shot" taken right at the ding, 
  • or slow my pc & game so drastically that I could; make coffee, go to the toilet and grab a sandwich while waiting for the meter to reach the prefect shot on his way down AFTER releasing the mouse left button

   

  .....................that would kill my "competing" instincts for this game ; )))

  FAIR PLAY GENTLEMEN, PLEASE!!! : )))

  Eric

• JFidanza 1,676 Posts

  Thu, Jun 18 2015 1:03 PM

  The 3 click meter is the only option w/ Jack Nicklaus Signature Edition, and it's great that WGT offers different options w/ meters.

  When I play JNSE I notice that there aren't any 2nd swings, meaning you have to hit on that one swing. It's no surprise to me to note, having played JN games since almost 30 years ago, that WGT has greatly mirrored the Nicklaus gameplay (understandably) and the JN meter you will see smooth meters but also rocket meters and fast/slow/fast/slow meters, exp. at the game's end when you are under par.

  Since the memory of the Nicklaus game is less than the memory of my digital watch, running the game on a PC overqualified, it's not the fault of 'the computer, or connection', blab, blab,' and all the BS you've read,  that's just the way these golf games have programmed it for decades. I knew this in '86 when I took to playing several of the popular golf games that emerged. Many of us know this already because we saw it decades ago.

  About the ding and off ding, I see the great players 'playing the percentages', in which I mean that they adjust their shots w/ a margin of error, so if they calculate a dinged shot the also factor in a missed ding so the ball is playable, or not lost, even if they fail at the execution.  Also, the ding may be king but that's if your calculation is for a dinged shot. If you calculate for an off ding, the ding is a serf.

  If WGT is realistic, it will not punish non-dingers for 'profits, other motives, etc.' or whatever you can make believe or concoct, but it will include & allow the realistic recreation of aerodynamics while applying these different common techniques of the golf swing by learned golf masters.

  Again, if (big if) ...

   

   

• hakman123 2,119 Posts

  Fri, Jun 19 2015 10:26 PM

  alberich35:

  hakman123:

  As you move away from the DING, the distance penalty becomes less and less for the same offset.

  This means if you are aiming off-DING, a small miss will make less difference to your distance than the same small miss aiming at the DING.

  So off-DING is safer for distance, and assuming you shape your shot with the wind, hitting Off-DING upwind, you are less likely to get that double-whammy of missing the DING to the downwind side and seeing the ball disappear off the mini-map.

  So you definitely don't need to be trying to hit the DING all the time. It's only really useful into a direct headwind. A direct tailwind will straighten up a slight miss anyway!

  It's all about personal preferences - but playing off-DING can make life a lot easier.

  The Hakman

   

  I need time to digest and understand your words.

  Specifically how a deliberately missed ding can have differents effects that inadvertently missed ding.

  I guess the best is to try. :)
  

  
  

   

   

  Whenever I try to explain these things - I do very badly at trying to make it easy to understand. Nevertheless - I will give it a go.

  In the diagram below I show the DING area of the swingmeter - and show that for this approach shot the wind is calculated to carry the ball 10 yds to the left.

  I also show a few off-DING points numbered 1 through 4

   

   

  

  Instead of the DING, if you hit these 4 points with your swing you will end up:-

  1.    5 yds right of the aiming point

  2.    8 yds right of the aiming point

  3.   10 yds right of the aiming point

  4.   11.5 yds right of the aiming point

  So from 3 to 4 only cost you 1.5 yds in direction, but from the DING to 1 (which is the same amount of miss on the swingmeter cost you 5 yds.

  OK - so If you play the DING - you have to aim 10 yds to the right and MUST hit the DING. If you miss and hit point 1 you will be 5 yds to the right of the hole. Also your distance will be short by maybe 5 yds. If you miss early (with the wind) you could be off the green.

  A better option is to aim directly at the hole and aim for point 3 on the swing meter and add 10yds distance. If you miss on either side you are not penalized as heavily.  Point 4 - you end up 1.5 yds to the right of the pin and 1.5 yds short. Point 2 you end up 2 yds to the left of the hole and 2 yds long. Either way is better than missing by the same error margin when aiming at the DING.

  The numbers are not strictly calculated for any particular shot or distance - they are simply selected to explain the point.

  I hope this is clear enough

  Good Luck if you try it

  Happy Hacking

  The Hakman

   

• MBaggese 15,367 Posts

  Fri, Jun 19 2015 10:46 PM

  I will be quiet now...proceed:)

• Yiannis1970 3,309 Posts

  Sat, Jun 20 2015 7:04 AM

  MBaggese:

  I will be quiet now...proceed:)

   

  Can i be more...naughty?lol

  Ok, if this is not a ding game, let's have this:

  We pick a couple of players with high knowledge of the game using identical equipment and set up a match. One of them uses the auto dinger cheat and the other one no. Now, to whom would you put your money on?

  :)

   

  PS

  I believe beyond any doubt that this is definately a ding game. You can ask (i speak in general MB) any CTTH player to confirm that. Game is so complicated and non linear at all. If you add extra factors of difficulty such as off ding shots on heavy irons...well, this strategy, at least to my opinion, has slight probabilities of success.

   

• alberich35 858 Posts

  Sat, Jun 20 2015 8:19 AM

  Click the ding or click points 1.2.3.4 after many maths is same, if you miss : you miss that all.

• hakman123 2,119 Posts

  Sat, Jun 20 2015 9:32 AM

  alberich35:

  Click the ding or click points 1.2.3.4 after many maths is same, if you miss : you miss that all.

  It is definitely NOT the same. Going for the ding a small miss costs you 5 yds or more. Going for point 3 the same small miss costs you 1.5 to 2 yds.

  Add to that that you have almost removed the chances of missing on the wind side of the ding.

  Off-Ding is a much safer strategy.

• JFidanza 1,676 Posts

  Mon, Oct 5 2015 2:08 PM

  hakman123:

  As you move away from the DING, the distance penalty becomes less and less for the same offset.

  This means if you are aiming off-DING, a small miss will make less difference to your distance than the same small miss aiming at the DING.

  So off-DING is safer for distance, and assuming you shape your shot with the wind, hitting Off-DING upwind, you are less likely to get that double-whammy of missing the DING to the downwind side and seeing the ball disappear off the mini-map.

  It's all about personal preferences - but playing off-DING can make life a lot easier.

  The Hakman

   

   

  Brilliant!

   

• PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Tue, Oct 6 2015 8:23 AM

  hakman123:

  So off-DING is safer for distance, and assuming you shape your shot with the wind, hitting Off-DING upwind, you are less likely to get that double-whammy of missing the DING to the downwind side and seeing the ball disappear off the mini-map.

  Long ago, realising the above ^^^ sold it to me.

  I'm not a great player or anything like it but my driving and approach play in crosswinds is pretty good. Takes a while to learn ( I move the aimer and off-ding) but it definitely works.