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Wed, Mar 2 2016 8:59 PM (40 replies)
  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Mon, Feb 29 2016 4:34 AM

    StingerWelsh:

    Jimbog1964:
     Nic wise I make this with about 12mg nic content (less vapor on the pull).

    I commend all in their efforts to minimize the effects of smoking on their health. However, you need to realize that you are not eliminating one of the dangerous elements of the cigarette, nicotine.  It is a very dangerous drug and is primarily responsible for the addictive quality of tobacco.  To actually "stop" smoking it would have to include the elimination of nicotine your vapor.  This is possible as you can gradually reduce the amount of nicotine in the product.  I hope that everyone who is attempting to quit will continue the process through to completion and be 100% free of this habit.  

    I can speak on this with some authority as I am a former smoker who had a 3-4 pack a day habit and have had both legs amputated due to circulatory problems exacerbated by nicotine.  You can look it up if you care to, but nicotine can and will kill you.  Love to all and I hope that I haven't offended anyone with this post.

    Fair enough.  

    It is my view that it's probably better to not inhale anything, and I would not encourage anyone to start anything.  Not suggesting you were  suggesting I was BTW :)

    Now just talking smokers trying to give up cigs with prolonged difficulty.  My view:

    Vaping is most definitely not smoking because vapour is not in anyway a smoke of any kind. Swap cigs for vaping you have given up smoking, unequivocally that is the case.  

    Nicotine itself looks to me to be about as harmful as coffee, and in itself it is therefore not very dangerous.

    Having deleted the 4,000 harmful chemicals of cigs from my life, as well as cig heat on throat, nicotine is not something I will worry about.  Not telling others it's not best to reduce the addiction or to add toxins of any sort to themselves, but just not worried personally to rush nic reduction. Be nice to eventually maybe, but slowly catchy monkey.   One resource here, and it's roughly what I choose to go with.  

    The immediate known health benefits of vaping, with or without nicotine, are the same as stopping smoking by going cold turkey.  

    The very long term effects of vaping will not be known for many years.  Perhaps increasingly they are looking good, but I am not here persuading people to start anything, quite the opposite in fact as said first.

    Not offended at all by your post, and please do not be by mine.  Sorry to hear your news, and I don't know any facts about your discreet case, and so It is my view generally.

     

     

  • SweetiePie
    4,925 Posts
    Tue, Mar 1 2016 7:46 AM

    Hi Jim, we have been busy and haven't been writing much by PM. I intend to start it up again. I owe it to myself. Anyway, my love of fine (I'm talking FINE) cigars is on the increase. Very enjoyable while playing here, among many other distractions. But no inhaling....a taboo. I bounce around with these gems of expert handj-work and am pleased to vouch for the "Rocky Patel" family. Not the very beat, but up there because of creative, exotic blends. Rocky is a younger dude 40-50 and flags his nose a bit to some of the stuffy tradition. He has an abundance of "sand"....my kind of fella.  ~ Lily ~

  • ct690911
    7,205 Posts
    Tue, Mar 1 2016 12:21 PM

    I was reading where some of these E-cigarettes are actually exploding?...I didn't cut and paste the article, but it's easy to google.

    ..oi vey

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Wed, Mar 2 2016 7:24 AM

    SweetiePie:

    Hi Jim, we have been busy and haven't been writing much by PM. I intend to start it up again. I owe it to myself. Anyway, my love of fine (I'm talking FINE) cigars is on the increase. Very enjoyable while playing here, among many other distractions. But no inhaling....a taboo. I bounce around with these gems of expert handj-work and am pleased to vouch for the "Rocky Patel" family. Not the very beat, but up there because of creative, exotic blends. Rocky is a younger dude 40-50 and flags his nose a bit to some of the stuffy tradition. He has an abundance of "sand"....my kind of fella.  ~ Lily ~

    Good for you Lily.

    I am no expert in any of this.  I am a great believer in that it's what you do 80% of the time, not the 20%.  I live life.  If I fancy Duck a L'orange I jolly well have it, and if I want to wash that down with a glass or four of red I will :)..Now what was I saying about that 80% LOL.  

    Cig smokers inhale, and too many times a day over so many years is out of habit and addiction, seldom out of enjoyment.  Aggregation as you will appreciate I know:)

    Vaping I enjoy (my own mix) tobacco flavour with a beer.  If I go a V & T I might try one of my fruit flavours and so on.  I now actually enjoy that, and minus the 4000 cig chemicals chained into  me if a beer session can't blame the cigs LOL.  Joking apart even the hangover is reduced :)

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Wed, Mar 2 2016 7:37 AM

    ct690911:

    I was reading where some of these E-cigarettes are actually exploding?...I didn't cut and paste the article, but it's easy to google.

    ..oi vey

    No expert at all as said above.

    The industry is not regulated, and some of it is that.

    Now you go to Walmart and buy an 18650 battery from the flashlights section.  You get home and fancy building a religion starting (if Egyptian times) cloud blowing machine.  You therefore create a very low resistance coil (bit that heats up).  You connect all that up in what is a very simple DC circuit.  You are now walking around with, very potentially, a pipe bomb.  These can and have exploded, and very bad things have happened.

    Cheap corner store $4 (whatever) crap from an unregulated industry I would not touch either etc.  Done properly, why I referred to some Ohms law / also battery drain understanding,  I think the risk is acceptable - my personal conclusion.  Above 1 ohm resistance (coil) with a sensible regulated battery device, and all from a reputable source should see you fine with minimal understanding.  

    Start chasing those BIG religion starting clouds, and you really had better fully understand ohms law / DC circuits / battery drain as that is real pipe bomb territory.  Good starting resource point here :)

  • ct690911
    7,205 Posts
    Wed, Mar 2 2016 8:34 AM

    "No expert at all has said above"

    "The industry acknowledges that explosions are a possibility. "I'm aware of 10 failures in the last year," Thomas Kiklas, who represents the Tobacco Vapor Electronic Cigarette Association, told NBC Chicago last October. Specifically, it's e-cigarettes' lithium-ion batteries that combust. These batteries are also found in laptops and cellphones. But with e-cigarettes, the batteries are especially prone to overheating..."

    Apparently, the FDA is reviewing all the data...I dunno, Jim...I chew Nicorette gum...lol

    ps. Thomas Kiklas, who represents the Tobacco Vapor Electronic Cigarette Assn. 

    There is actually an "association" for this?

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Wed, Mar 2 2016 8:53 AM

    There is also a lot of crap posted about Ecigs.  Chemical makeup is vital for sure....................It's a big topic, and people think they can just go out and connect up in series sometimes with a walmart flashlight battery.  It will all likely all blow up quickly (pipebomb).  I mentioned drain rates...........that is v important.  Reputable source with a not too low resistance coil (so will not drain the batt that fast), and my opinion was it's safe enough with only some understanding.  

    Go below (as said) 1 ohm and you had better really understand ALL of it..batt types, drain rates, DC circuits, ohms law...real deep understanding.  I do sometimes go low after building my own , but I think I have a good understanding and check with multimeter type things and etc......I also KNOW all about what the capability of any battery is, and that's not the specs on the side I am using.........one other start resource..........I am not telling others what to decide, just that I am happy with the level of risk I decided was acceptable for me:)

    EDIT: Another resource :).........The industry is not regulated at all, and WWide they are working on how to.  Daft reports from harvard about chemicals, just made Harvard look daft and did not help.  Biggest issue I see is how do you stop that idiot making a v potential pipebomb due to plain dumb ignorance, and also some real crap out there for sure.  We all accept risk everyday, and as say very personally above is hopefully some way to explaining my personal rationale.  Huge topic and I have probably used enough space. 

    Before I leave it I found that resource you partly quoted.  Some added rest of quote is as follows:

    the batteries are especially prone to overheating because smokers use incompatible chargers,overcharge the e-cigarettes, or don't take sufficient safety precautions. For example, many e-cigarettes are made to plug into a USB port, which smokers may take to mean the devices can be safely charged with a computer or iPad charger. But if left too long in a common USB port, some e-cigarette batteries can fry. Resource I assumed was it anyway.

    Yep these are not toys for sure, and easy to see where some sensible regulation might help - away from the impossibility of idiot proofing it.  regulated device from a reputable place, above 1 ohm ..............following specs............Not a sport where it's OK to assume one knows better. Personally I also rest a battery before charging and rest after too.  I will recharge elsewhere but I know what amp outputs and inputs are, and stay as safe as is possible with batts (always some risk same as I let my mobile rest in a pocket near my right bollock etc LOL)..........

  • Yiannis1970
    3,305 Posts
    Wed, Mar 2 2016 10:12 AM

    Almost all the accidents with e-cig have been provoked for the reasons that Jim analysed very very well. Cloud chasers on mechanical modes, using 0,2 or below DIY coils and 18650 batteries. If stupidity is out there, it's not product's fault. There are certain specs that need to be followed...if someone wants to play with it, well..we all know the bitter end.

  • SweetiePie
    4,925 Posts
    Wed, Mar 2 2016 11:18 AM

    Jimbog1964:
    There is also a lot of crap posted about Ecigs
    As would be expected. The booze people, the cig folk, just to bring aboard two among so many, go wild with filthy fables to defame any speck of competition and garner assistance from E-Street crud along with small-potato congress whores in need of a Doral trip repleat with folding lucre as they push any small edge forward to retard any growth from competition. They can weave their magic and talents with such grace that the Marlboro becomes a fact based  health aid. As for the E-Vape future. Thing look brighter each week as more is mastered to effect successful sales And Marketing. But the falsehoods will continue with strength. I wouldn't suprise  me to read that the heroin craze that has captured timid, fragile, Socialist New Hampshire can be traced directly to the E-Cigarette. It is the tragic, sick way things are done. 

    I fully embrace the natural way Jimmy B does it and all things. His interest fuels the notion. He will become, the really fun way, a legitimate, self taught expert by exhaustive trial and error. He will know what he is trying, and why. He will be in solid, no doubt, stance to be able to discover exactly what he likes; what he prefers; and best of all, Why. That is the way this practice works....why it is best. It eliminates the worthlessness of opinion. And deems the vouch an exercise of humility never to be assumed a object of value.

    I do things the same way....but not everything. If it is not interesting, it dies.

    Just more reasons that indicate that all of us are crazy. To finish on this note, I was in a new cigar store briefly yesterday and I looked at a fabulous display of traditional pipes. ( not the cheapie Mary Jane helpers) but old school PIPES. Well made, attractive, from England, Ireland, USA. I haven't picked one yet. (efficacy being my focus) But I am going to experience this ancient practice, become an expert and be encyclopedic about it. After I pick the pipe, I intend to start with the toddler tobacco. "The Cherry Blend"....and the fun part? I know nothing about it....but I will.

    ~ Lily ~ 

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Wed, Mar 2 2016 11:55 AM

    Some of the learning is fun :)

    Funny you mention pipes and Cherry Blend.  Fond memories of my paternal grandad sitting in the corner with his pipe as I marvelled at that (well rings a bell) aroma as a young child.  My Nan had the picture of the King and Queen up near the fire that was stoked, and which was great for toasted muffins too.  Gosh that actually happened, and no one thought anything of it. 

    Cherry Blend was and is a near little project to get right as an Ejuice.  I have a tank with a tip that can feel v much like a pipe.  

    Enjoy :)

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