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Legend saturation

• MrUmbrella 422 Posts

  Sat, Jul 18 2015 11:13 PM

  Hi,

  According, to my records, I had reached legend saturation of 500 yesterday, and am now at 502 rounds (par5 and par3 not counted!), but the WGT avg. does not drop - I should be at 61.95 now, not at 62.02, which obviously is the avg. for all 502 rounds.

  If need be, I'll send the records sheet. Did the saturation point change?

• MrUmbrella 422 Posts

  Sun, Jul 19 2015 3:24 PM

  Saturation has started, but calculation is obviously wrong, or arbitrary. Is 61.93, but should be 61.87 (before saturation, avg. was 0.13-0.16 lower than what Excel calculated, lol).

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Sun, Jul 19 2015 7:49 PM

  It doesn't work the way you're thinking. Scores drop off in that 500 as they are replaced by lower ones until you get to the 60 average for the next tier.

  Alosso is real good at explaining it.

• alosso 21,070 Posts

  Sun, Jul 19 2015 11:43 PM

  We never know, but I don't think that calculation would change voluntarily.

  MrUmbrella:

  (before saturation, avg. was 0.13-0.16 lower than what Excel calculated, lol).

  This points to a deviation in your former score list which may persist now - see the "late" start of saturation.

  And, be sure to take the 500 lowest(!) Legend scores into account.

  Hint: Don't be fixated on "average" too much my friend - it must be fun in the first place, and you're gonna join our party of TLs early enough ;)

• MrUmbrella 422 Posts

  Mon, Jul 20 2015 2:57 AM

  I am fixed on correct calucation rather. (Becoming TL a week earlier is not the point here. It takes a long time to become TL anyway (albeit for me, it might be earlier than the anticipated 3-6/2016.) 

  As far as Excel can do, the lowest 500 are counted, nothing else. And if my avg. was higher than what WGT gave me before saturation, then my after saturation avg. would need to be lower again - I had that simulated already. 

  So, the question again, are there are other factors in the calculation? May the saturation change, or may there be other rounds weighed differently, or dismissed (other than the par3 and par5 only courses)?

• alosso 21,070 Posts

  Mon, Jul 20 2015 1:15 PM

  MrUmbrella:

  So, the question again, are there are other factors in the calculation?

  I'm afraid that there's nobody to tell you.

  As long as I've been around, the company has never given anything away towards this subject. What we know is a result of "best guesses", and there have been changes, at least in the anti-sandbagging measures below Legends, but these have hardly been discussed.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Mon, Jul 20 2015 1:42 PM

  I think if you pay attention to the hundredths column of your average it might make more sense. Eventually your average will be harder and harder to reduce and when it does, that hundredths column is where you'll see the change.

• MrUmbrella 422 Posts

  Mon, Jul 20 2015 2:00 PM

  It's the thousandths actually that make a difference. After all, as far as our knowledge goes, average is reduced by 0.002 by kicking out of the best 500 a score which is 1 higher than the one by which it was replaced. So, a 33 kicks out a 34, and reduces the avg. by 0.004 - as far as we know (and yes, the 33 is useless in the end, it needs to be kicked out by a 30 or lower anyway).

  Anyway, as much as the feedback is appreciated, I know about the many threads about the calculation here, and I posted my issue in the bug forum for a reason. I do not want to ramble about the calculation. Three is a bug, or there are hidden factors. Not the customers can solve the issue, or give an answer proper, but WGT needs to address the issue, and reply. Or confirm that they do calculate with hidden factors (or wrong) by not addressing my issue - I could even be wrong, but as things are according to my knowledge, I have reported  a bug.

• alosso 21,070 Posts

  Mon, Jul 20 2015 2:39 PM

  YankeeJim:

  I think if you pay attention to the hundredths column of your average it might make more sense.

  I'm afraid not.

  The minimum change is one stroke in 500 games, that's 1/500 = 0.002.

  Third decimal, isn't it?

• MrUmbrella 422 Posts

  Mon, Jul 20 2015 2:46 PM

  Yes, well, I cannot even reply in time, not out of that hilarious moderation after one year - don't you guys think it is time?