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Champion tier.

• peoch 1,127 Posts

  Sat, Nov 14 2015 3:42 AM

  T/L need 500 RR to stop the Av and a 59,00 for Champion and y need to play 200 RR to stop Av going up.

• alosso 21,073 Posts

  Sat, Nov 14 2015 6:16 AM

  pdb1:

  WGTShamWow:

  - Champion Tier is 200 ranked rounds in Tour Legend on top of what you have already played up until the 7/30 release. 

    So 400 it is .  200 to Champion + 200 to saturate .

  Thanks for looking it up in the history. It brings a good fundament to the discussion.

  Still I see no safe base of the data. When it began, (up to?) 300 (their best!) scores were taken from the TLs, and a minimum of 200 scores was mentioned to saturate and turn C with a 59 (my best guess) average.Thus seasoned TLs had 400 scores to count.

  No mentioning if only saturated TLs were treated the same way, and I am still missing a positive statement of a TL who wasn't affected at all, what was his saturation point.

  200 (400?) + 200 would be "cheap", compared to the saturation number of 500 for Legends (unchanged?) From WGT's perspective, there should be more of a grind involved.

• 1,866 Posts

  Sat, Nov 14 2015 7:54 AM

  alosso:

  turn C with a 59 (my best guess) average.

  Your guess is good enough ;-)

  alosso:

  No mentioning if only saturated TLs were treated the same way, and I am still missing a positive statement of a TL who wasn't affected at all, what was his saturation point.

  Non-saturated TL reported of even worse affects. From what I've seen and read, WGT simply took everybody's worse 200 rounds. If a TL saturated, that meant their worst 200 from their best 500, if not, their absolute worst 200 (or less) from their TL rounds. So it would seem TL sat point is now 200. Not sure if anything changed to the legend calcs, I would've thought they'd move it to 100 (logically, considering everything), but it doesn't seem to be the case.

  But I can safely say that champ tier saturates at 200 RR (without counting par 3s and 5s of course). This is completely ridiculous and it totally contradicts the reasoning behind creating extra tiers.

• alosso 21,073 Posts

  Sat, Nov 14 2015 10:37 AM

  mkrizan86:

  Non-saturated TL reported of even worse affects. From what I've seen and read, WGT simply took everybody's worse 200 rounds. If a TL saturated, that meant their worst 200 from their best 500, if not, their absolute worst 200 (or less) from their TL rounds.

  So, what was left when they had less than 200 rounds?

  mkrizan86:

  So it would seem TL sat point is now 200.

  ...and what about the 200 left from formerly saturated TLs?

  I see no definite number at that poiint.

• 1,866 Posts

  Sat, Nov 14 2015 11:37 AM

  alosso:

  mkrizan86:

  Non-saturated TL reported of even worse affects. From what I've seen and read, WGT simply took everybody's worse 200 rounds. If a TL saturated, that meant their worst 200 from their best 500, if not, their absolute worst 200 (or less) from their TL rounds.

  So, what was left when they had less than 200 rounds?

  Those were the only ones who didn't saturate after their first round after the change. They kept fluctuating until they reached 200 (we had a couple in our CC). That is the thing that leads me to believe that 200 is the new sat point. But I may be wrong, of course. It wouldn't be the first time ;-)

   

   

• cdefghi 2,872 Posts

  Sat, Nov 14 2015 12:13 PM

  The day of the new tier introduction I shot a round that normally would have dropped me .01 or at worst kept me the same.  Instead I went up almost 2 full points, and close to over a 60 average for the first time in ages.  After that round even a 32 on F9 Merion dropped me .01, and since then I've never had a round that increased my stroke avg at all..  I'm not sure if there is anything definitive from all of this at this point, and I believe all these examples of how it's now calculated, are all just speculation .

  The fact they include the ladies tee CC comps on stroke averages means it doesn't make any difference anyway. It's all become a sham, in an effort to milk credits for balls and increased play for a paper badge.