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THE NATIONS CUP

Sat, Jul 9 2016 4:39 AM (1,101 replies)
  • TitilloPM
    622 Posts
    Thu, Dec 31 2015 5:28 AM

    I just want to thank everybody for this great tournament, organisers, players from other countries and players from my country, and all other people involved. And of course congratulations to champion team, Germany, great tournament.

    Waiting for next tourney, I'm sure it will be even a better one.

    Happy holidays to everybody,

    Tito.

  • JPLR73
    1,364 Posts
    Sat, Jul 2 2016 6:59 PM

    Thanks to two cheaters my team did not have the option to fight for first place, it would be interesting to know what people think about this case and of course the tournament organizers, any response will be appreciated, a greeting.

     

    Juan.

  • julplant
    203 Posts
    Sat, Jul 2 2016 9:43 PM

    What is done is done, mate... Better luck next year...

  • JPLR73
    1,364 Posts
    Sun, Jul 3 2016 2:52 AM

    julplant:

    What is done is done, mate... Better luck next year...

    It's not about having or not having luck, it is to respond to a situation that has arisen. You are French and will agree with me that the Tour de France seven were taken away from Lance Armstrong for cheating were removed precisely, those seven years there was no winner, which I think is what you should do in this tournament, I ask nothing more.

     

  • whiski
    144 Posts
    Sun, Jul 3 2016 3:30 AM

    Indeed, done is done. Like in the Olympics, silver medalist should get the gold.

    Like in the real world, there will ALWAYS be cheeters who are never found or exposed :).

    Ronald from tiny very rainy Belgium

  • pierolitfiba
    6,844 Posts
    Sun, Jul 3 2016 7:46 AM

    Ok guys me and Alberto are working on this request.

    bye

    Carlo

  • MainzMan
    9,591 Posts
    Sun, Jul 3 2016 9:17 AM

    While I agree the title should have gone elsewhere I'm not sure there's much merit in making second place the new champion.  It was a while ago and most have probably forgotten it ever happened, much less who won it.

    I have no objection to it being changed, I'm just not sure it's worth it.

  • alosso
    21,072 Posts
    Sun, Jul 3 2016 10:02 AM

    This has been discussed broadly in a thread which was then deleted by WGT. There, no proof was made public why those players were banned, not only "the two".

    JPLR73:
    Thanks to two cheaters

    Do you have proof for your allegation?

    Proof or liar!

    And yes: Popcorn for ev1!

  • JPLR73
    1,364 Posts
    Sun, Jul 3 2016 11:06 AM

    One thing is clear:
    They have been expelled for WGT, I need no more evidence.

    The prisons are full of innocent people.

  • MainzMan
    9,591 Posts
    Sun, Jul 3 2016 12:04 PM

    alosso:

    Proof or liar!

    Not this again?

    Alosso, please tell me whether you truly and honestly believe that every one of Mr. T's scores was made fairly and without any form of game manipulation.  I know it's possible to post scores like that, most players can do it now and then but to be able to do it time after time is stretching the limits of credibility for me at least.

    Just looking at the scores posted after qualifying for this we see the following.  Only 4 nations played every round, South Africa, Spain, Rest of the World and of course, Germany.

    If we take the best scores posted by 3 of those nations nation during those 6 rounds we have the following:

    South Africa: 27, 29, 27, 28, 26, 29.  Total 166.

    Spain: 27, 28, 26, 28, 27, 30. Total 166.

    RoW: 27, 26, 28, 28, 27, 28. Total 164.

    Scores from just 1 particular German player: 26, 25, 27, 24, 28, 25. Total 155.

    Are you really not able to see how unlikely this is?  That 1 person posted scores that matched or bettered the best individual score from the other 3 nations in 4 out of 6 rounds.  And finished with a total score 9 shots better than the second best nation.

    I can understand your reluctance to accept that he/they may not have acted in a manner becoming of gentleman and sportsmen, I really can.  I messaged with our star player and found him a charming and eloquent fellow.  The sad fact is though that charming and eloquent does now equate to above suspicion.

    I know a person is innocent until proven guilty but they have clearly been found guilty of something by WGT, hence the banishment.  It is only what that misdemeanour actually was that is not clear.  Personally, given the unbelievably good scores posted day after day, I wouldn't be surprised to find some sort of game manipulation was taking place.  This is purely my own suspicion though and is not being stated as a fact.

    WGT, I apologise if this post  highlights an unwanted topic once again but in my eyes it was already well and truly out there.

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