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Fri, Sep 18 2015 4:00 PM (7 replies)
  • Safdar1
    454 Posts
    Mon, Sep 14 2015 7:14 PM

    300 rounds too late, but I just realised the importance of camera angle when the wind arrow is showing. If you are not straight on the flag, you have to make an adjustment and this can make what looks like a slight head wind into a slight tail wind and vice versa.

    I recall reading a thread on this some time back, it made no sense to me at the time, and I have searched the forums but cannot find it, it discussed this exact topic and the OP was kind enough to put in some diagrams which explain it, does anyone know about this thread?? a link would be great

     

    Thanks

  • JFidanza
    1,676 Posts
    Mon, Sep 14 2015 8:35 PM

    I'm not saying this is what you were looking for, maybe it is, but I encourage you to test your own observations.

    I have had luck using the techniques & suggestions everyone has proposed while studying this topic.

    Scroll down to see the posts about the wind bearing.

    http://www.wgt.com/forums/p/236586/1763331.aspx

  • Safdar1
    454 Posts
    Tue, Sep 15 2015 7:17 AM

    Thank you both of you, this is indeed what I was looking for

    And JF, I notice you are the  OP I was thinking of.

    I read the two links again, and this time it all made sense, I hope to incorporate this into my game and wind analysis now.

    On a similar note, have you considered the impact of slope/dot analysis on greens when the camera is not in line with the shot?

    ie you can analyse the dots from the camera view but if the shot is being taken from a place not in parallel, this can mean the putt can behave quite differently than you may expect. Again I just considered this yesterday, took me 300 rounds to even think of it!

  • JFidanza
    1,676 Posts
    Tue, Sep 15 2015 9:58 AM

    Safdar1:

    On a similar note, have you considered the impact of slope/dot analysis on greens when the camera is not in line with the shot?

    ie you can analyse the dots from the camera view but if the shot is being taken from a place not in parallel, this can mean the putt can behave quite differently than you may expect. Again I just considered this yesterday, took me 300 rounds to even think of it!

    For me, I consider both/all the angles need to be studied and then most of it is a guessing game. I add some intuition and notes or memories on what happened the last time I was in that area.

    Some players here have mentioned how to adjust for a shot when the avatar is not in line so you may look for those, or test out for yourself (maybe in 'practice mode') the effect of the ball's roll when the angle is skewed.

    Sometimes the avatar was blocking the front shot and I pushed for the see-thru avatar, as many others did, and WGT made that option available.

    There are posts about chipping w/ the cleves on a green* and the distance required so I may use that to hop over the slopes, plus I do it because it can be a quick way to get to the next shot. 

    note: I haven't tested the distances extensively or lately so use your own judgment if you choose to try it.

    http://www.wgt.com/forums/p/276269/2007994.aspx#2007994

     

  • JFidanza
    1,676 Posts
    Thu, Sep 17 2015 1:24 AM

    Safdar1:

    On a similar note, have you considered the impact of slope/dot analysis on greens when the camera is not in line with the shot?

    ie you can analyse the dots from the camera view but if the shot is being taken from a place not in parallel, this can mean the putt can behave quite differently than you may expect. 

    Your question made me think, and I tried a few shots to test. The info I got may be incorrect but there were some WGT pros that stated that this instance exists - that when the avatar is skewed the dots are misleading.

    One day I will find the posts that relate to this subject, I just haven't looked for them recently. If anyone wants to add input, go right ahead.

    Below is just what I was guessing.

    All numbers in the figures below are just for study and are not concrete. But say the info in the yellow circles is what the game tells you.

    In fig A the player is skewed to the right. The info tells you the tilt of the green is left-to-right and uphill a slight bit.

    The info says 'up 2 inches, and medium slope L-R'. But maybe from the players angle it's MORE uphill, and also the tilt is lessened from that angle.

    In fig. B the player is left and more 'up', therefore, perhaps, the hill is not as steep as compared the other angle (in yellow circle). Also, from that players angle maybe the tilt is a slightly greater.

    Compare the info from the cam (in yellow) to the players angle. See what I'm wondering?

    Again, I'm not to sure so test it yourself. My last test was like fig. A and I adjusted for a medium break but after I hit the ball it didn't break as much as I thought it would.

     

     

  • Safdar1
    454 Posts
    Thu, Sep 17 2015 8:26 AM

    JF your analysis exactly matches what I would expect, if you are hitting "into" a break then it has to break less and vice versa. That is why, I am sure, I get putts that are quite straight forwards to read but the avatar angle is off they they break in a totally unexpected way.

    This may be the post/thread you are referring to, but unfortunately the pics look like they no longer exist...

     

    http://www.wgt.com/forums/t/287946.aspx

    (I dont know how to make that into a hyperlink)

    Also, I noticed on some holes, ( re the wind) if you select say pitch on an iron shot and hit the reverse camera it can give you a direct reverse view from a few feet behind the flag and level with the ground and show the wind much better than one at an angle in normal front and reverse view.

  • JFidanza
    1,676 Posts
    Fri, Sep 18 2015 4:00 PM

    Safdar1:

    JF your analysis exactly matches what I would expect,  

    This may be the post/thread you are referring to, but unfortunately the pics look like they no longer exist...

    http://www.wgt.com/forums/t/287946.aspx

    +1

    Thanks, this is def. one of the threads. On my WGT profile page blog I put some extra unconfirmed theories about this subject. You can browse it if you want. Feel free to add any comments or suggest corrections. Thanks in advance.

    edit: the diagram on my blog is removed.

     

    another edit: more on this by fmagnets. Thanks, fmagnets.

     

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