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Solheim Cup controversy

• 2,840 Posts

  Mon, Sep 21 2015 4:37 PM

  And the Apology comes a day to late......

  Wow after seeing this, is Suzanne Pettersen really at fault or did the US players assume too much? Or better yet, did Pettersen have Icon in her ear saying make her putt out?

  For me 18 inches should of been conceded right away and it seems like it was a dirty move on Pettersen part.  It is an interesting discussion on when to concede a putt.  What do you all think?  Dirty play or just good old fashion gamesmanship?

   

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• Beryman 9,099 Posts

  Mon, Sep 21 2015 5:08 PM

  should have been conceded

  but in my opinion the bigger story was Gerina Piller`s putt  :)

• WGTicon 12,511 Posts

  Mon, Sep 21 2015 5:08 PM

  As Mrs, Shoe knows, I never concede. But, in my defence, I an also not on a actual course, so there is no fear of getting a 9i massage

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• opyeuclid 6,710 Posts

  Mon, Sep 21 2015 5:52 PM

  WGTicon:

  As Mrs, Shoe knows,

  Christmas in July ?

   

• alanti 10,564 Posts

  Mon, Sep 21 2015 5:58 PM

  Interesting point, but the fact is you should always assume you have to putt out, unless there is an obvious concession.

  Match play is often mind games and I for one (in real golf) would sometimes concede a 4 footer but make my opponent putt a two footer - and you could see their mind racing,,,,why not this one? And I would have a huge grin if the missed it!

  But in this instance, whilst it is wrong to assume a putt is conceded, sportsmanship should have dictated IMO.

• alosso 21,073 Posts

  Mon, Sep 21 2015 9:14 PM

  +1!

  Matchplay is not only about the playing skills - there, also the obeyance to the rules is at stake. The notices "penalty: lost hole" for rule breaches are valid! You may lose a hole from a wrong drop or a forgotten "provisional" call.

  It's different from Joe "Sixpack" Golfer's Saturday round with his friends, conceding ridiculously long putts in mutual fear to three-putt them. Even here, players with weak putting skills demand "concede from five feet" agreements to hide their imperfectness.

  alanti:

  But in this instance, whilst it is wrong to assume a putt is conceded, sportsmanship should have dictated IMO.

  That might put the mind games to a new level:

  Imagine the player thinking:

  "I SHOUD have received a concede but the opponent refuses - o.k., I'm gonna take it and claim "sportsmanship"!"

• alanti 10,564 Posts

  Mon, Sep 21 2015 11:26 PM

  I totally agree Paul....and as I did not see the match, who knows what niggles and things were whispered! So there could well have been an underlying reason.

  And as a pro....even as an amateur, you know the penalty for a breach in the rules.

  Simple thing is....be prepared to putt out, whether in real golf matchplay or on WGT.

  A pet peeve on WGT is......want to concede for x foot putts....my answer is up to you...I may concede a 5 foot putt....but I might make you sink a 2 foot one........silence!

  Funny thing happened to me a number of years ago in match play (real golf) when I was probably 3 feet away - dead straight and uphill....my opponent conceded. However I made him putt a slightly shorter but was a downhill breaker...and he missed. Rest of the match was frosty to say the least and whilst I won was certainly no drinks at the 19th afterwards.

  Luckily was against another club....never saw the sore assed loser again.

   

   

• craigswan 31,886 Posts

  Mon, Sep 21 2015 11:47 PM

  Whatever the rights and wrongs it sure fired up the usa in the singles . That one incident probably won them the cup .

• Baldace 3,254 Posts

  Tue, Sep 22 2015 2:34 AM

  Go back to the 1969 Ryder Cup, Nicklaus v Jacklin, this shows all you need to know about sportsmanship and understanding the "bigger picture". 

• samppa454 308 Posts

  Tue, Sep 22 2015 3:47 AM

  Should have been conceded. BUT, consider this. The rookie American, who lifted the ball up did not ask Petterson or did not look Petterson (or her partner) in the eyes, whether the putt was conceded or not. When Petterson and her partner were walking away, no one of them had said that the putt was conceded. The rookie American may have had heard some voices that said "the putt was good". But it is poor stupidity to rely on some basic assumptions or "voices" you hear, if the "voices" are not from the opposition team. It is competitive golf and Petterson did not break the rules, to be honest. This is my objective opinion and of course I am slightly ashamed of what Petterson did. That ended up to cost the Europeans the whole Solheim Cup. It is never too late to apoligize!