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WGT Need to Handicap clubs in Tournaments

• Edgey54321 547 Posts

  Sat, Nov 21 2015 1:21 AM

  The same clubs win the tournaments every time, good luck to them. It like asking my old mum to race against Usain Bolt. Why have tournaments when you know what the result will be. Clubs are not matched in any way Oh you get the odd match against a club that is more or less equal, but my club this morning (In England) level 6 with 106 members best players Master  was put against a club at level 14 with 243 members and an abundance of Legends, so what chance do we have. Later today I take part at my local course in a club competition, I am playing one of the better players, who plays off a handicap of 4, to even things up my handicap is 18. That is golfs way of making it more competitive. WGT take the money and give it every time to the same clubs. Lets bring in a handicap system and make the competitions more even. Oh and who's going to win the competition well I say the Georgian will as they did the last one and the next one.

• Edgey54321 547 Posts

  Sat, Nov 21 2015 9:22 AM

  Further to my post I have looked into my clubs efforts but before I write any more these are the words written by WGT on the tournament notification.....When your club enters the event, you'll get matched with another club close to your skill level,....We are a club at level 6 we have been matched with a Level 4 club who beat us, but it was just one person who was awarded 600 extra points. A second level 4 who we beat, a level 5 we lost again to only one player playing. a Level 6 we won that one. Then we had a level 10 followed by a level 13 and then a level 14 please look back a WGT words, no dont I will print them again When your club enters the event, you'll get matched with another club close to your skill level, It is so easy to handicap clubs there are 10 level of player a tour champion should have 10 points down to a hack who has one. Add all the clubs player points up and divide by the number of players.This gives you a club level. Then match that points total with other clubs within 20 points either way so simple. However the same clubs will with the top prize, but at least clubs will be competing against other clubs on a level playing field. 

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Sat, Nov 21 2015 2:41 PM

  1. HCs IRL struggle to be meaningful when skill levels get apart in the extreme  - Try working a HC for Spieth v a local cub 27+ hack that is sensible.  Here top players are shooting perfect scores anyway so even more tricky.  

  2. Above relies on honesty and here every trick in the book would come out.  You would have clubs with more joined yesterday T Pros than a yesterday thing.......

  3. Champs here is a meaningless badge.  Many would not be there were it not for the easy conditions and red tees.

  4. The clash is all about who buys the most passes, and selling passes is the only reason it lingers whilst a few clubs bother.  The odd anomaly may creep out, but most clubs leave it alone as fundamentally it's only a competition event for who buys the most passes.    

  There have been many ideas as to what WGT could do, but their New Ideas went with this.  Grubby and scratching around for small extra income as it is it's extra whilst a few bother. EDIT: Meant to add the top "prize" would be useful only to a low level say AM to save them buying a putter along the way to one they really want, and the other "prizes" are completely pointless.

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Sat, Nov 21 2015 7:57 PM

  Jimbog1964:

  4. The clash is all about who buys the most passes, and selling passes is the only reason it lingers whilst a few clubs bother.  The odd anomaly may creep out, but most clubs leave it alone as fundamentally it's only a competition event for who buys the most passes.    

  This!

  Any "CC handicapping" might add a touch of fairness and skill-orientation to the Event, but that is completely out of focus of it's design.

  But, there may be some logic to the CC selections.

  We have been successful in the current event, winning one Clash after the other, but collected only 6,500 points for rank 130. At each new Clash, we were matched with another CC with immaculate record, 4-0, 5-0, 6-0, but some of them scored very low, down to zilch. Our last opponent was Augusta National, 7-0, 10,000 points. Of course they crushed us, 2,200 / 250. Our next opponent will be less successful I hope...

  Hm - they have 15 members against our 207 and a 0-1 record in this event...

   

  Nevertheless, the official result counts only the total games played / passes spent.

  We find the fun in playing as a team, knowing that we have no chance!

  (gone playing ;) )

  (edited)

   

• courteneyfish 15,796 Posts

  Sat, Nov 21 2015 8:48 PM

  My club is currently matched against a club with ONE active member. Come on WGT, do you care anymore?

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Sat, Nov 21 2015 11:53 PM

  courteneyfish:

  Come on WGT, do you care anymore?

  
  
  I'm gonna leave the answer to each reader ;)
  
  Concerning the number disparity, it doesn't matter much.
  
  We all know that this is NOT a CC vs. CC activity, despite the propaganda.
  It's but a 48 h competition in spending CC passes, free or purchased.
  The "opponent" is just an alibi to do so - you need an event running to spend and gain points, and the bonus points will not decide the race to the Golden Calf.
  
  
  And, TBH, one member may win an event - my CC may be experiencing it.
  Just now it seems that I'm playing alone against one of the 15 members mentioned, and he spends more than me :( My fellow members may be all asleep, at 8:30 am local time.

• Edgey54321 547 Posts

  Sun, Nov 22 2015 1:14 AM

  I am going to write a scenario that as far as I know does not happen, however if I can think of it so can others: A long standing club with a couple of hundred members decides that it will go all out to win a CC v CC clash. This club then wins and gets for itself a prize of a Max CC Putter worth 400,000 credits yes 400,000. A an owner I add that to my bag, then decied to sell it back to WGT, as we do with other clubs. How much will they give well about 60% so lets say 250000 credits. Now what I need to do is share that around the club. Well lets say I have 20 legends who are really active. So that would be for the current month 12500 credits each. Equal to 300 passes. How do I pass them on the simple way is a prize competition aimed at just one person with a prize of 12500. then that person plays and wins the prize. It does not take very long to disperse the quarter of a million point. Then when the next CC event come round these players play non stop for hours and hours and can if needed compete over 300 games without it costing them a single credit.  However its more likely that 10 to twenty will need to play only 30 to 40 games over the 48 hour timescale,  its not about a competition it is all about winning. So simple to win the top prize all you have to do is play on and on. Around about 600 games. As I say I can think of beating the system so other must also know how to do it.

• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2015 4:44 AM

  Edgey54321:

  A long standing club with a couple of hundred members decides that it will go all out to win a CC v CC clash.

  I struggle with the term win as it suggests a degree of skill being needed, and it's just passes bought at auction that matter.  Anyway not your main point I know but that's why so many leave it alone.

  Edgey54321:

  This club then wins and gets for itself a prize of a Max CC Putter worth 400,000 credits yes 400,000. A an owner I add that to my bag, then decided to sell it back to WGT,

  See which section it is in:).........You can't sell it back if you end up with it after an event , and so it is worthless.  Now you could buy it (technically you could), but even then you could not sell it back......worthless golden pixels on a putter that is nothing special, nothing special at all (see forums on last point as discussed a fair bit)

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2015 5:33 AM

  Edgey54321:

  a prize of a Max CC Putter worth 400,000 credits yes 400,000.

  First error: It's priced 400,000 but apparently not worth it.

  Edgey54321:

  decied to sell it back to WGT, as we do with other clubs. How much will they give well about 60% so lets say 250000 credits.

  Second error: Sell-back is at 25%, only for clubs.

  Third error, mentioned already: The Golden Calf is NOT a club but a "CC Reward" - no sell-back.

  O si tacuisses...

• PaulTon 10,731 Posts

  Mon, Nov 23 2015 6:13 AM

  courteneyfish:

  Come on WGT, do you care anymore?

  As far as the clashes are concerned, they never did.