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• Noobingalltheway 222 Posts

  Mon, Feb 14 2011 11:57 PM

  It seems to me that the game is deviating heavily lately. To the point where I'm unable to play very well at all. I've just played in the pay to enter Kiawah tournament, here's my findings:

  Hole 1 seemed ok

  Hole 2 seemed ok

  Hole 3: Left myself a 4 foot putt for birdie. The putt showed a slight right to left break, so I left the aimer where it was, and pushed the putt slightly (to the point where if there was no break it would have still made it) - result? Putt missed by about a foot to the right! Yes, it actually decided to break the OPPOSITE way to where the break showed!

  Hole 4: Left myself a 182 yard shot to green...no biggie, been here a hundred times before...7 mph headwind, 190 yard 3 iron, full backspin, ding the meter. Result? shot went just under 160 yards, fell short of the green

  Hole 5: Another of my "favourite" holes. Tee shot is 194 yards with a 6mph headwind. My 3 iron will reach the green, then run for what seems forever down the slope of the green....never fails, even with a 12mph headwind...aim my shot, full power, full backspin, ding the meter...bunker shot, fell 25 yards short of the pin!

  Hole 6: 130 yard shot, 9mph direct headwind, dinged the meter...ball travels the exact right distance, but somehow ends up 9 YARDS left of the pin (no it didn't roll there)

  Hole 7: 240 yards shot, 7mph left-right w/tailwind, 235 yard fairway wood, little backspin...expect to land just short of, or run over the green...nope, wrong again, drops in that horrible 40 yard territory where I have no clubs that are perfect for...

  Hole 8: Played ok, though I'll argue that a 180 yard iron into a cross-headwind shouldn't travel to the bottom of the green 195 yards away...but I'm used to that happening now (apart from the times where it lands on the fringe 15 yards short)

  Hole 9: Played ok, though putt for birdie missed by 5 inches, very fast green, 2 inch downhill, just under full power with my 30 foot putter (I'd guess 27 feet of power), only travelled 28 feet...

  This is my one excursion on to the course for today, though I could give examples of many other games on different days where I encountered similar, if not worse problems (never so many in one round though)

• WGTicon 12,511 Posts

  Tue, Feb 15 2011 7:25 AM

  my replies in bold....just my experience there :)

  Noobingalltheway:

   

  It seems to me that the game is deviating heavily lately. To the point where I'm unable to play very well at all. I've just played in the pay to enter Kiawah tournament, here's my findings:

  Hole 1 seemed ok

  Hole 2 seemed ok

  Hole 3: Left myself a 4 foot putt for birdie. The putt showed a slight right to left break, so I left the aimer where it was, and pushed the putt slightly (to the point where if there was no break it would have still made it) - result? Putt missed by about a foot to the right! Yes, it actually decided to break the OPPOSITE way to where the break showed!

  you played that hole many times, so you should know where each putt breaks. doesn't matter what grid says, trust your memory, grid sometimes lies :)

  Hole 4: Left myself a 182 yard shot to green...no biggie, been here a hundred times before...7 mph headwind, 190 yard 3 iron, full backspin, ding the meter. Result? shot went just under 160 yards, fell short of the green

  that's nearly not enough for that hole. also, because the balls/clubs you use, hitting 3i, you can't expect it to stop on a dime, so it will either be short or long. only rarely perfect.

  Hole 5: Another of my "favourite" holes. Tee shot is 194 yards with a 6mph headwind. My 3 iron will reach the green, then run for what seems forever down the slope of the green....never fails, even with a 12mph headwind...aim my shot, full power, full backspin, ding the meter...bunker shot, fell 25 yards short of the pin!

  sure, it's a hard slope left. have you tried not going at the flag and just aim left?  you will have 50fter every time but after some tries, you will start making it.

  Hole 6: 130 yard shot, 9mph direct headwind, dinged the meter...ball travels the exact right distance, but somehow ends up 9 YARDS left of the pin (no it didn't roll there)

  same as #5, there is a hard right to left slope, so even if you land 10ft to the right, it'll bring you right to the hole. so, why not do that and not aim at the hole, as even a slight miss, will push it left :)

  Hole 7: 240 yards shot, 7mph left-right w/tailwind, 235 yard fairway wood, little backspin...expect to land just short of, or run over the green...nope, wrong again, drops in that horrible 40 yard territory where I have no clubs that are perfect for...

  as you know, there are a lot of bumps in front of the green, so hitting BS is risky, I usually hit punch there or drive through green and then hit pitch/chip back.

  Hole 8: Played ok, though I'll argue that a 180 yard iron into a cross-headwind shouldn't travel to the bottom of the green 195 yards away...but I'm used to that happening now (apart from the times where it lands on the fringe 15 yards short)

  also a tough hole:) but I try to use left to right slope to bring it close. not always working but sometimes it does.

  Hole 9: Played ok, though putt for birdie missed by 5 inches, very fast green, 2 inch downhill, just under full power with my 30 foot putter (I'd guess 27 feet of power), only travelled 28 feet...

  This is my one excursion on to the course for today, though I could give examples of many other games on different days where I encountered similar, if not worse problems (never so many in one round though)

   

  kiawah front 9 has some hard holes, I have played it 500 times or more and it doesn't mean that I am sometimes not surprised :)

  it requires perfect shots, good memory and good putting.

  good luck :)

  -wgticon

• Noobingalltheway 222 Posts

  Tue, Feb 15 2011 11:16 AM

  Hi Icon, as you rightly said, I have played this course many times. Hence, I know what I am doing when it comes to playing the shots. I didn't say "I played this course all wrong" I said "I played this course how I usually would (except for once I dinged pretty much every meter) and the course played differently". 

  Your response to hole 3 : I didn't say "I read the break wrong" I said "it broke the wrong way". As you've played Kiawah front 9 500 times, tell me, how does a putt break from top right side of the hole? Left to right or right to left?

  Hole 4: 165 yards to hit the edge of the green, and 190 yards is not far enough? Oddly, I've played the shot from rough on challenge 4 of Kiawah CTTH and almost always overhit when using my 4 iron less than full power (180 yard club, 165 yards shot from rough)

  Hole 5: Where I aim doesn't matter....if a 190 yard shot doesn't even go 170 yards, it won't get out of the bunker...(again, as I stated, I don't mind where I land, but where my shots start dropping 15-20 yards sooner than normal its a bit worrying...especially as I usually use standard balls, and for this round I used GI-SD balls (more distance, more carry)

  Hole 6: There's no hard right-left slope - the slope on this hole actually goes from the back of the green to the front, and even if there were, the ball didn't land then roll (as I said in my post above), it landed 9 yards left of pin

  Hole 7: Are you saying that you'd expect my ball to even reach the ground in under 200 yards? I used to have a Rapture 3 wood (rated 220 yards)...that usually didn't hit the ground till after 200 yards

  Hole 8: Yes, tough hole, I actually can manage to get it within 3 yards under the hole quite often (sometimes even making birdie) but again, I don't mind this hole, as your exact landing position has a much more major factor on this hole than most others due to the severe downhill slope

  Just to reiterate: I'm not saying I played badly, but that the game seems to be playing badly for me...there are a lot of rumours around that the game adds deviation in when you begin to play better, this seems to me to be valuable evidence to the same. I can understand being punished more for missing the ding at higher levels, but most of the shots I've mentioned here were dinged...

• WGTicon 12,511 Posts

  Tue, Feb 15 2011 11:51 AM

  ok again:) in bold

  Noobingalltheway:

  Hi Icon, as you rightly said, I have played this course many times. Hence, I know what I am doing when it comes to playing the shots. I didn't say "I played this course all wrong" I said "I played this course how I usually would (except for once I dinged pretty much every meter) and the course played differently". 

  I understand and It wasn't my point to suggest you did it wrong, if I did, I am sorry.

  Your response to hole 3 : I didn't say "I read the break wrong" I said "it broke the wrong way". As you've played Kiawah front 9 500 times, tell me, how does a putt break from top right side of the hole? Left to right or right to left?

  actually it's a double breaker. depends how far, but at the end, it goes right to left. it also depends exactly where you were but generally I believe when you say something peculiar happened.

  Hole 4: 165 yards to hit the edge of the green, and 190 yards is not far enough? Oddly, I've played the shot from rough on challenge 4 of Kiawah CTTH and almost always overhit when using my 4 iron less than full power (180 yard club, 165 yards shot from rough)

  I understand, but the way it plays in blitz/cttp is different for me. When in play in CTTP, it's in rough, so I run it on. but from fairway I try to carry there. So, if your ball lands on uphill with full bs, it will get stuck and not run15-20 yards as shown in blitz. Just 1 explanation, I didn't see the shot, so I couldn't comment and it's very hard to guess base on description.

  Hole 5: Where I aim doesn't matter....if a 190 yard shot doesn't even go 170 yards, it won't get out of the bunker...(again, as I stated, I don't mind where I land, but where my shots start dropping 15-20 yards sooner than normal its a bit worrying...especially as I usually use standard balls, and for this round I used GI-SD balls (more distance, more carry)

  I understand, I'll have to see the shot to comment further, but usually I don't try to be cute and just get it there. Maybe you had just about enough club but needed perfect shot and something happened. Only a guess....but there could be some weirdness going on. I did see Yancy smile at my last night at 4am from the kiawah water hazard.

  Hole 6: There's no hard right-left slope - the slope on this hole actually goes from the back of the green to the front, and even if there were, the ball didn't land then roll (as I said in my post above), it landed 9 yards left of pin

  maybe so, but slope definitely there...hard right to left . try approach it and aim 10ft right and see for yourself.

  Hole 7: Are you saying that you'd expect my ball to even reach the ground in under 200 yards? I used to have a Rapture 3 wood (rated 220 yards)...that usually didn't hit the ground till after 200 yards

  I am saying that I seen my 213 punch easily go 250 and run through green. But that's just me :)

  Hole 8: Yes, tough hole, I actually can manage to get it within 3 yards under the hole quite often (sometimes even making birdie) but again, I don't mind this hole, as your exact landing position has a much more major factor on this hole than most others due to the severe downhill slope

  Just to reiterate: I'm not saying I played badly, but that the game seems to be playing badly for me...there are a lot of rumours around that the game adds deviation in when you begin to play better, this seems to me to be valuable evidence to the same. I can understand being punished more for missing the ding at higher levels, but most of the shots I've mentioned here were dinged...

  anyhow, we can discuss this til no end, obviously some peculiarities exist.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Feb 15 2011 12:00 PM

  Noobingalltheway:

  drops in that horrible 40 yard territory where I have no clubs that are perfect for...

  Yes you do. Learn the punch shot with your wedges. Pick up a 64w and you'll find it much easier to negotiate around the greens. The Satin 64w punches 41 and is insanely easy to map out. Then there's the flop(15), chip(6) and pitch(13) with that same club. 

  @Icon-Huge help there, tyvm.  :-)

• Noobingalltheway 222 Posts

  Tue, Feb 15 2011 12:21 PM

  Icon, firstly I'd like to apologise. I realise you're trying to help and my previous post was poorly constructed and bad taste (but its true what people say, this game just brings out the worst in some of us!). Then I'd like to thank you for replying to me in the first place.

  I anticipated a "I didn't see the shot" response, so I've tried my best to reenact the shots I previously did. In both cases I used exactly the same club, same power and same backspin as I did in my shots detailed earlier. Notice the difference in where they land.

  These were in different games, actually my shot on hole 7 in my second game would have been a much better example (256 yards, 7mph tailwind and it rolled to the back of the green, just off the fringe)

  Hole 4 shot:

  The replay to where it ended up

  Hole 7 (Notice this is 20 yards further back than the previous with just a little more tailwind)

  the replay

  This is what I mean when I say its deviation...these occurrences this morning were truly weird, and it seems to happen to me a few times a day.

  Thanks again for taking the time to answer me

  Rob

• WGTicon 12,511 Posts

  Tue, Feb 15 2011 2:16 PM

  Thanks for replays. Maybe you did have a bad round where every force was against you. Your shot on #4 with those clubs/balls is quite good and that's basically the perfect shot. Another 10ft and it'd gone further and curve to the hole. That's really the only way to get close there. But, if you notice the replay/bounce, if you had landed as much as 2 yards right, it would have likely get stuck there because the way hole is made, it would not have allowed the bounce.

  On #7, you landed in rough, if you landed in fairway, you would likely ran through the green, but, if you notice that fairway, there are plenty of bumps and if you hit that bump on up-slope, with full bs, it'll kill the shot period. Hence my recommendation of punch, which has natural lower trajectory. If you add top spin, it will just roll and roll.

  -wgticon

• cowpen 771 Posts

  Tue, Feb 15 2011 3:40 PM

  BUGS and lots of inacuracy's lately take a look at these shots and tell me why  the hole  isn't recognised 

   

  take a look tell me it wasn't in ?

  http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=454b864f-130d-4c3f-be77-9e8a00e9747a

• IS THIS JUST HAPPENING TO ME? can't be

  http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=b8b9ed5e-e586-4a8b-af83-9e8b00d6e986

  and again

  http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=546789e6-5044-4c35-abf1-9e8b00e1857b