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Thu, May 5 2016 10:41 PM (8 replies)
  • VenusRising
    459 Posts
    Thu, May 5 2016 6:56 AM

    Hi

    This has probably been covered many times but I can't seem to find accurate info on it.

    Is there any fairly reliable way to calculate how hard to hit a ball, say [for example] when it is 24 Feet to the pin & 4 Inches lower than your ball or conversely, 24 Feet to the pin & 4 Inches higher than your ball?. I know there are other factors that probably come into play; green speed, slope from left-to-right, wind, maybe aliens [kidding].

    Thanks for listening.

    V

     

  • SidersBest
    873 Posts
    Thu, May 5 2016 9:30 AM

    V

    Have you looked at (SwingMate.com) and tried their free version it calculates distance divided by club and factors in wind you just have to make minor adjustments or major adjustments to the line of flight or putt.

    Siders Best

  • CEverett12
    14,177 Posts
    Thu, May 5 2016 9:37 AM

    This is what I do for midrange putts on a green speed 12

    24 ft  with a 4 inch drop

    24 - 4 = 20 

    Then subtract 2 for green speed 12   ( 20 - 2 = 18 )

    then subtract 1 for every 10 ft   ( 20 ft = 2 )

    18 - 2 = 16

    I would putt this 16 ft

  • Tigerpaw509
    1,285 Posts
    Thu, May 5 2016 10:01 AM

    Or in this example 20-4=20

    Divide 20 by 1.3= 15.38 for tourney 12 greens

    Divide 20 by 1.42=14.08 for Champion 13 greens.

    For down hill back off a little

     

  • NotFacebookCraw
    49 Posts
    Thu, May 5 2016 10:29 AM

    Putting distances seems to be pretty formulaic.  Estimating break is way more about feel.  I don't make a whole lot of long putts, but I have gotten pretty good at leaving them inside of 2 feet using this formula:

    Effective distance is the length of putt in feet plus the elevation change in inches.  So, as the above example, a 24 foot putt with 4 inches of downslope is effectively 20 feet. That is the starting point.  Now adjust for green speed as follows (EDIT: this is based on the same ratios used by TigerPaw above, slightly fudged for ease of calculation)

       9 subtract 10% (tenth)

     10 subtract 20% (fifth)

     11 subtract 25% (quarter)

     12 subtract 25% if uphill.  Subtract a full third if downhill

     13 subtract a third (i fudge a little extra on downhill)

     14 pray

     If the putt is severely downhill, drop another 5-10%.  

    High wind on longer putts can be worth a few extra feet.

    E.G. 49' putt on St. A.  Hole is 13" below me.  Green Speed 12.  Wind in my face 25 mph.

    Effective length is 36'.  Drop a third (12') for a speed adjusted distance of 24'.  Add a foot for wind.  Pull up the 100' putter scale and go to the quarter mark.  Should be pretty close.

    If the putt was 13" uphill instead:

    Effective distance is 62'.  Only drop a quarter (~15'), add one for wind and hit it 48'. 

    This is also a good example of why you have to be more conservative on downhill putts.  From the same distance to the hole, the downhill is at least twice as sensitive to error.

    CAVEAT!  The elevation changes are given in inches up to two feet.  At that point, 24"-30" (I think) reads 2'.  31"-42" reads 3' etc.  Be careful.  Also, the difference between 0.1 inches and 0.9 inches, coupled with the built in variability in putters and balls means that a "flat" putt of 10' on a Speed 11 green hit exactly half way on the 15' putter scale might be anywhere from 2' short to a little long. 

    Remember, this is for lagging.  Trying to make a 12' putt involves being more aggressive with the distance.  Add several more feet to make sure you don't fall prey to the estimation gaps and equipment variability.  (And it cuts down break, but that is a different issue) Nothing is worse than a 10 footer that dies at the lip.

  • jessek12
    102 Posts
    Thu, May 5 2016 11:21 AM

    i set up a formula that I keep in an Excel sheet. I forget where it came from honestly, but it is pretty similar to other postings on here.

    (Distance of putt (actual distance), in feet) +/- (Elevation of putt, in inches) +/- (Putt Distance x Green Speed Factor). If the putt is over 25 ft, I take about 5% off the total. If it's into a strong wind, I might add 1% or a couple of feet.

    Green Speed Factors:

    Slow (7.4) = 0.10

    Standard (7.9) = 0.00

    Fast (9.0) = -0.10

    Very Fast (10.0) = -0.15

    Tournament (11.0) = -0.20

    Tournament (12.0) = -0.25

    Championship (13.0) = -0.30

    Example:

    23 ft putt, 4 inches uphill, on a Very Fast (10) green.

    (23) + (4) + (23 * -0.15) = 23.6 ft effective distance, or 95% of my 25 ft putter meter.

  • VenusRising
    459 Posts
    Thu, May 5 2016 2:57 PM

    Thanks for all the helpful answers. I'll try & make sense of all this & hopefully come up with a system that works for me. Thank you again. Appreciated!

     

  • boeling
    320 Posts
    Thu, May 5 2016 9:30 PM

    :)

  • alosso
    21,088 Posts
    Thu, May 5 2016 10:41 PM

    VenusRising:
    I'll try & make sense of all this & hopefully come up with a system that works for me.

    Try something simple if you want:

    On a "very fast" green, one inch of elevation equals one foot of length, uphill in plus, downhill in minus. Slower greens need less adjustment per inch, faster greens need more, and special care = hysteria is necessary for downhill putting on Tournament 12 and Championship 13.

    As a starter, it may be a good rule of thumb.

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