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High ding rate = cheating?

• TopShelf2010 10,901 Posts

  Thu, Jul 21 2016 11:57 AM

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• Jimbog1964 8,378 Posts

  Thu, Jul 21 2016 12:16 PM

  @ Woodo I would be way more worried about something that stops where you want it to.  A new, as yet not known to the known world, Otto was a very silly thing to be looking for anyway IMO.........Bluntest possible way to look.

  We don't know what their figures are made up from (40 and 79).  I doubt they will say, but judging from the rest of their assumptions so far in this my confidence level over meaningful / accurate is low.

  Maybe worth noting that to a very very good player the ding is not really v important at all.  May be good to learn with, be a very good way anyway but he did shoot -8 thru 9 with his legs broken by the trial judge just before his hearing.  Guilty as charged as limped round with only a -8 thru 9, not 11 ........They were only counting dings though..

  Flipping farce from start to finish. I thought we gave up sticking nearby villagers heads on posts as warnings after Vlad the Impaler.

   

• mbcarp99 1,078 Posts

  Thu, Jul 21 2016 12:26 PM

  What also has to be taken into account is if you were to slightly drop the ball for a couple of rounds, you would have to be hitting up to 90% or more to maintain an 80% average, here is an example over just 5 18 hole rounds, scoring 55 on each just to make the maths easier and dropping down to 70% ding rate on 2 of the rounds

  Over the course of a month i would expect the 79% rate must have dropped at times, therefore a much higher percentage would be required on other rounds to keep that average

  again i'm sorry to rain on the parade but i just don't see this as being realistic imo

  55 with 80% dings = 44 dings

  55 with 70% dings = 39 dings

  55 with 70% dings = 39 dings

  55 with 90% dings = 49 dings

  55 with 90% dings = 49 dings

  275 shots- 220 dings = 80%

• mkg335 5,491 Posts

  Thu, Jul 21 2016 12:30 PM

  The point here is that a man's reputation has been tarnished (maybe permanently) by an arbitrary and unfair judgment.

  I do applaud wgt for allowing us to openly discuss the issue.

  My plea to them now is to reconsider their initial guilty verdict because it was based on a faulty premise and involves no tangible evidence, only assumption.

  edit:  mb, your point is well taken, but consider this...wgt has admitted that compiling the ding percentage is a painstaking and time-consuming process.  For all we know, mistakes may have been made...and even if the information were 100% accurate, in and of itself it wouldn't constitute hard evidence that cheating was taking place.

  To then have the summary judgment based on a single round under adverse conditions makes the final verdict even more arbitrary and questionable.

• bubbsboy 6,879 Posts

  Thu, Jul 21 2016 12:31 PM

  -8 through 9 at St Andies from tips with moderate wind, poss equates to a 56 (yes back 9 maybe slightly harder), so we will say a 57.......Mods watching, and no auto ding detected.

  Qs three recent RGs at St Andies, poss heavy wind agreed.....a 57, 58 and 59.

  Seems as though this judge and jury round he played, he was as good as when he did not use that dinger dinger to me.

  His scores before are no different to scores he hit this time.

   

   

• mkg335 5,491 Posts

  Thu, Jul 21 2016 1:11 PM

  bubbsboy:

  -8 through 9 at St Andies from tips with moderate wind, poss equates to a 56 (yes back 9 maybe slightly harder), so we will say a 57.......Mods watching, and no auto ding detected.

  Qs three recent RGs at St Andies, poss heavy wind agreed.....a 57, 58 and 59.

  Seems as though this judge and jury round he played, he was as good as when he did not use that dinger dinger to me.

  His scores before are no different to scores he hit this time.

   

   

  This is the crux of the matter.  He didn't need an auto-dinger in order to score, in order to be successful at the game he loved.  He dearly loved playing tourneys and especially MPC.

  What would be his motivation to cheat and risk losing access to a game he loved playing?

   

• lonniescott711 4,204 Posts

  Thu, Jul 21 2016 1:21 PM

  "The ding rate was 79%. This is way way way above the average of other top players ." "They come in around 40%" This is from the reply posted in Jimbos post .How does WGT know how much the ding rate is for every top player ? Especially since its such a time consuming process to gather ? WGT can compile this type of information on players but cant fix issues with the game . Its a bogus deal up and down .

  Q just happened to step on the wrong peoples toes some how and thats that . You guys can ride this thread until the wheels fall off but sad to say it wont change a thing . We all have our opinions thoughts and points of view but none of them will change WGT`s decision . If it all went down as described then yes its a sad thing and a very raw deal .

  But the fact remains that this game belongs to WGT and the final say so as to who gets to play it is theirs and theirs alone . You cant help Q so let it go there is nothing that you can do . You have all shown yourselves to be very good friends to them and thats all you can do . But you have to also know when to cash it in and let it go . This is a battle that you cant win . Just the way it is .

   

• bubbsboy 6,879 Posts

  Thu, Jul 21 2016 1:31 PM

  Spoken to Jim personally as a few others will have, and i said same thing

  They aint gonna change.......so as i said earlier......if poss get that other golf game....that will entertain you and before Q knows it, this game will be a distant memory.

  Still not sure what he was supposed to hit in the jury round ffs

  Anyway..........hope he finds some enjoyment in something else

  RDG website is not owned by WGT so he can still keep in touch i suppose

   

• Yiannis1970 3,288 Posts

  Thu, Jul 21 2016 1:46 PM

  Why not guys?

   

  WGT is being run by people and people some times make mistakes. If WGT wants to reconsider the case and acknowledge this unfortunate decision, it can take it back in an instant. Why it's so hard? After all, wasn't the same WGT that reconsidered the flashy things and rectified the situation?

  What's the difference?

• bubbsboy 6,879 Posts

  Thu, Jul 21 2016 2:06 PM

  As Jim and others  state Yiannis, they have shown correspondance received a while back but not a lot since.

  Apart from topgolf saying sorry but WGT have dealt with it.

  Agree with your stance but feel its fruitless.

  Never mind, good news is they have systems in that head office that can flush out ding performance, soon they will get a system to fix discos, give us the bank and new rewards for level 17 clubs.

  Wonder if ths super computer can have a look at the hack to pro leaderboards and the RGs.....some top new folk in there may use auto ding, or did in their last account ;-)