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High ding rate = cheating?

Sat, Dec 31 2016 5:26 PM (437 replies)
  • fatdan
    3,379 Posts
    Fri, Jul 22 2016 2:59 PM

    Let me try to clear some of this up a little....

    I was told by a very reliable source, that a very reliable source told them that the 2 German players were selling black market credits....

    I also "saw" the email from another very reliable source to my very reliable source, that one of the Germans showed him a skype of a tee shot, from the tips at BPB #1 that landed 4ft from the hole using a 7i....

    My conclusion was, "Ohhhh, I wonder if they got banned for selling credits or editing the code"?

    Then I'm told by yet another reliable source, Oh no, the 2 Germans were in fact the same guy, and they caught him!!!!

    WTF, I now have all this reliable info, and still don't know why they were banned, so really all I can do is speculate as to why!

    Some are doing just that based on the 1 email posted...well 1 email was posted to drive home a point, but not all of them! If you read all of them, they make it very clear that they have "NO" idea what he was doing from the beginning! It is a little insulting to hear it said that we are stupid enough to do all this BS on the basis of 1 email and our own obviously biased opinions!

    The final email you saw only tells you why they thought he was, and that is ding%....

    What that basically says is, they have a new program that can tell them what a players ding% is, and that is really all it does...makes you a possible target, AND that could be any of you!

    The assumption some have reached is they can't tell us their secret as it makes it less effective, what secret is there to hide, anyone with a little tech savvy already knows they can't detect "anything" your running on your PC, they get the results(stats) and that's it...

    Now they can monitor a ding%, and if it is too high, they will decide whether or not to ban you, period!

    Was Tom cheating, could have been, but I don't know for sure, you don't know for sure, and I read several emails that say WGT customer service doesn't know for sure!

    The speculation that it would help the cheats to tell us the truth is ridiculous, the guys smart enough to reverse engineer the game code would find it anyway...the only thing they are not saying truthfully is they are obviously calling CE an Auto Dinger, rather than use the name of the "only" cheatware that actually works well enough to bother with...

    The only possibly viable reason not to tell us the truth is they don't want us to know they can look at our PC anytime they want, and I have software that would tell me if they did so that's not it!

    As I have said before, he was "Guilty by Assumption", probably, most likely, had to be, guilty isn't good enough in this country, just here!

    I have seen many posts over the years here and on the other site accusing AB123 of being a cheat...all I know is he is a very good player, won some Major tournaments and has been around a long time regardless of what is said...if I was dim witted and believed everything I heard, my opinion of him would be different now wouldn't it...

    So if one of these self appointed "cheat busters" decide to drop a PM accusing you, I hope your an "off ding" player LMAO


    CT, not a word from you! LOL

    Jeff, I can't read another of your posts so I'll just respond to your 1st rant...

    jeffmatulich:

    They have ALL the stats (of all the algorithmic permutations of their models) of ALL shots ever played by EVERY player since the beginning of time.

    Not only is that wrong, it is absurd!

    They wrote the code.

    Actually 2 guys who left EA Sports and became investors wrote the program!

    They know what the standard deviations are supposed look like within the multitude of algorithms they have developed (club, ball properties, vem diviations etc...).  Its not rocket science.  

    Actually all the variables are written in Dynamic code and constantly change, and VEM is random so they can't in fact know exactly...

    80% ding is straight up stupid crazy

    Agree 100%

    Don't care that he had 2 weeks off

    I couldn't ding at 5% after 2 weeks off..

    , was an insomniac,

    Not sure about that

    smoked meth,

    No, he went to bed every night, not every 5th night

    had super human hand eye coordination

    Dinging at 40% under extremely poor conditions might just qualify him for that one, what do ya think?

  • Dstylie
    775 Posts
    Fri, Jul 22 2016 3:19 PM

    fatdan:

     

    Dinging at 40% under extremely poor conditions might just qualify him for that one, what do ya think?

     

    What exactly where the extremely poor conditions?!

  • krskfr
    458 Posts
    Fri, Jul 22 2016 3:26 PM

    Holy Cow WGT, i think it's time you close down this thread, people giving long speculative diatribes and invocations when now matter how many people shout and lament, this particular player is never returning again, why waste so much time and energy on this. Let it go guys.

  • AgentBrown123
    907 Posts
    Fri, Jul 22 2016 3:45 PM

    If I write enough paragraphes maybe the good points made by a few will get lost by my massive post.

    Rofl

  • Jimbog1964
    8,378 Posts
    Fri, Jul 22 2016 3:53 PM

    krskfr:

    Holy Cow WGT, i think it's time you close down this thread, people giving long speculative diatribes and invocations when now matter how many people shout and lament, this particular player is never returning again, why waste so much time and energy on this. Let it go guys.

    Honestly feller it's in the thread.  Memory says mod winds Andys F9 on champ, and he shot -8 at trial...see thread though.

    Obviously I am in contact with the guy.  He has no voice here, but would like it be driven home he is highly doubtful their 79% is accurate.  Like most never counted, but doubts it's an accurate figure.  Also wishes it be driven home it was not autodinger as that's impossible as one that good does not exist.  Other cheats would allow it as many will know.  He says he would not be that daft to go for the ding as much if was using an aid...........Yes he feels aggrieved as that 40% is nonsense (see thread), the auto ding reason for banning is nonsense but we debate 79% as if somehow they definitely got one thing right.........If this was a real court the judge would just say get this crap gone, and get a proper team on it next time...........

  • bubbsboy
    6,879 Posts
    Fri, Jul 22 2016 4:00 PM

    Oh there was a young man called Q

    Whos ding success was to be good to be true

    Someone who held a grudge

    Gave CS a nudge

    He was banned, guilty ?.....we have not a clue.

  • WigerToods2010
    8,447 Posts
    Fri, Jul 22 2016 4:04 PM

    mkg335:
    Or not, as the case may be.  ;-)

    Smiley or not, surprised at you.

    I get it, Mark -100%.

    Go easy on me I'm an insomniac. ;-)

  • jeffmatulich
    482 Posts
    Fri, Jul 22 2016 4:29 PM

    Fatty -

     Awe ffs ------ sitting at my computer trying to get ready for a trip. SMHIA (shaking my head in astonishment). I'll format properly so you and others can more easily read.

    "Not only is that wrong, it is absurd!"

    Their solution sits on top of an Oracle database.  The results of all the parameters of a given shot are known and are stored. If you know what a database is, then I think you can grasp how that data might possibly be accessed for analysis - when required.

    Actually all the variables are written in Dynamic code and constantly change, and VEM is random so they can't in fact know exactly...

    Clearly you do not know what dynamic code is.  But I get where your tin foil hat is going.  Yes the algo's are random an have a high degree of variability that ultimately dictates the outcome.....BUT.. the outcome is returned to wgt and stored in a g-damn database. FFS - Really? 

    Actually 2 guys who left EA Sports and became investors wrote the program!

    and your point is..........what????.......they don't know how to write code and monitor the outcomes of their highly variable code in an effort to make adjustments in productizing their algorithms for future iterations. Oy Vey

    I couldn't ding at 5% after 2 weeks off..

    Seriously man.....common...not that hard bro....quit wgt if that's the case (Would suggest lawn darts as an alternative)  

    Dinging at 40% under extremely poor conditions might just qualify him for that one, what do ya think?

    No....seems pretty "average" based on my experience and the inputs of other highly esteemed wgter's.   Seriously do you not know what an average is?  Checked your stats lately?  How many more 300+ yard drives do you think you need in order to bump your driving stat up 1 yard?  (answer - a g-damn shiate load).  So this cat needed a shiate load of 95%+ ding rounds to get him to a 79% ding stat....Nope....NOT REAL.

     

  • mkg335
    5,491 Posts
    Fri, Jul 22 2016 4:32 PM

    Johnny, maybe a little light reading will help you fall asleep?  (All in good fun, bud)

  • jeffmatulich
    482 Posts
    Fri, Jul 22 2016 5:14 PM

    Jimbog1964:
    Also wishes it be driven home it was not autodinger as that's impossible as one that good does not exist.

    So how do you (or subject in question) know that?  Gave'm a try for awhile there eh? didn't work out so much?  went for other solutions? Must know something we don't.. ----- You are not helping here......

    Jimbog1964:
    He says he would not be that daft to go for the ding as much if was using an aid

    So he already understands how they work and has considered how to circumvent...............uhmmmmmm? --- Not helping here......

    Jimbog1964:
    we debate 79%

    WGT would say otherwise. And I for one trust their judgement.

    Folks just (honestly) count your dings.....would love to hear just one player say "Ive got 70% over 10 rounds.  Christ just TWO rounds of 70% avg.  would shut me the f up.....Please prove me wrong so I can crawl away with my tail between my legs - never to be heard from again.  (as many would like)

     

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