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Thu, Sep 15 2016 5:10 PM (40 replies)
  • bob47471
    90 Posts
    Mon, Sep 12 2016 9:42 AM

    lonniescott711:

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    So there you go guy there is everything I need to say about the entire issue . Im done you have nothing to prove to me . Sorry if my brutal honesty has offended you it was not my intention to do so . So if you feel that I have berated you or disrespected in any way then for that I apologize . I call it the way that I see it and thats just the way it is . There is a thread titled " Advice for New Players " use the search box >>>>> and post your information there . It will refresh the thread and also you may find it a good read .

     

    I admire that response Lonnie.  

  • garypinhunter
    1,049 Posts
    Mon, Sep 12 2016 11:08 AM

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     Sorry if my brutal honesty has offended you it was not my intention to do so . So if you feel that I have berated you or disrespected in any way then for that I apologize

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    Well stated  lonniescott711


  • lonniescott711
    4,207 Posts
    Mon, Sep 12 2016 11:26 AM

    razza31:

    lonniescott711:

    I have been playing now for 5 years so I do think that I know a little bit about the game .The only brackets that are random will be tierless brackets .  Your score history shows that you are playing only Tour Pro brackets not tierless  All tiered brackets are played from respective tees and conditions . This is per WGT .

    So all of this random settings that you are playing are not with this account . They arent cc events as the score history would show this

    This is actually the opposite. Tierless brackets are played from the player's respective tees with varied conditions. The tiered ones can be different tees with varied conditions.

    lonniescott711:
    You can say what you want but every one knows that what Im saying is true .

    Most of the posts in this thread seems to indicate differently.

    According to the response which I received from WGT . A tiered bracket a player would play from their respective tees and conditions . This is per WGT not me . Also  per WGT not me " If a tierless bracket everyone plays from the same tees but tees are dependent on how the bracket is set up " So again this is per WGT so you contact WGT and tell them that they have it wrong . This is how they explained it to me when I asked them about it  .

     

  • MainzMan
    9,591 Posts
    Mon, Sep 12 2016 11:39 AM

    I may be too cynical but I'm also a bit suspicious of someone with less than 1 months experience starting a thread telling us how best to play the game. I'd like to ask those of us who've been here a long time to really think back to your first few days.  Did any of you rent gear?  Did you experiment with different club combinations?

    This may not be a duck but it does make a sound very similar to a quack and it waddles quite a lot when it walks.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Mon, Sep 12 2016 1:58 PM

    MainzMan:
    I'd like to ask those of us who've been here a long time to really think back to your first few days.  Did any of you rent gear?  Did you experiment with different club combinations?

    They didn't have rentals back then and yes, I did experiment with different club combos. That's how I arrived at 4 wedges and a driver until I made Legend. 

    What strikes me as authentic here  is actually remembering how I learned this particular game and what I did as I learned-shared the experience. I already knew golf and had good, long Links experience but this was a horse of a different color and a genuine challenge.

    What taught me the most was helping others learn. There wasn't nearly as much equipment available so it was a lot easier to know stuff and sharing what you learned reinforced what you were teaching. It was never about winning for me, just learning and sharing. The OP seems to be cut from that same cloth.

  • Tigerpaw509
    1,285 Posts
    Mon, Sep 12 2016 2:35 PM

    If Opy is new restart multi or banned one thing is clear…….he is a braggard

  • jeremygrogan
    22 Posts
    Tue, Sep 13 2016 12:01 AM

    lonniescott711:

    According to the response which I received from WGT . A tiered bracket a player would play from their respective tees and conditions . This is per WGT not me . Also  per WGT not me " If a tierless bracket everyone plays from the same tees but tees are dependent on how the bracket is set up " So again this is per WGT so you contact WGT and tell them that they have it wrong . This is how they explained it to me when I asked them about it  .

     

    Look man, I started the thread because I thought I could contribute my perspective to the forums.  This drama is ridiculous.  I'm not offended by anyone, this is just ridiculous.  I'm done defending myself and I know the truth and i'm not a restart.  I'm not here to pick fights and i'll certainly reconsider WGT is worth the drama.  Please re-read all my threads completely through. It seems like you are just digging for argument material and neglecting the content and the context of my posts.

    Also, it doesn't really matter what you or WGT say with your mouth about how the game is played.  The only thing that matters is how the game is actually played.  This discussion can be proven by you simply playing a few tiered brackets and you will see that they are at different tees.  Maybe the game has changed since you spoke with WGT, but regardless, Tiered brackets play random tees, that's just how it is. 

  • MainzMan
    9,591 Posts
    Tue, Sep 13 2016 2:26 AM

    You may be right Jim, it is possible someone could very quickly pick up the finer points of the game.  It's just very unusual to see someone come to the forums with so much knowledge after such a short time.

    That isn't a crime though so my apologies if the OP feels he's been treated like a criminal.

    YankeeJim:

    The OP seems to be cut from that same cloth.

    I thought all the remaining cloth was incinerated, the loom it was produced on dismantled and melted down and the factory razed to the ground.

  • lonniescott711
    4,207 Posts
    Tue, Sep 13 2016 11:42 AM

    jeremygrogan:

    lonniescott711:

    According to the response which I received from WGT . A tiered bracket a player would play from their respective tees and conditions . This is per WGT not me . Also  per WGT not me " If a tierless bracket everyone plays from the same tees but tees are dependent on how the bracket is set up " So again this is per WGT so you contact WGT and tell them that they have it wrong . This is how they explained it to me when I asked them about it  .

     

    Look man, I started the thread because I thought I could contribute my perspective to the forums.  This drama is ridiculous.  I'm not offended by anyone, this is just ridiculous.  I'm done defending myself and I know the truth and i'm not a restart.  I'm not here to pick fights and i'll certainly reconsider WGT is worth the drama.  Please re-read all my threads completely through. It seems like you are just digging for argument material and neglecting the content and the context of my posts.

    Also, it doesn't really matter what you or WGT say with your mouth about how the game is played.  The only thing that matters is how the game is actually played.  This discussion can be proven by you simply playing a few tiered brackets and you will see that they are at different tees.  Maybe the game has changed since you spoke with WGT, but regardless, Tiered brackets play random tees, that's just how it is. 

    I understand why you posted the thread you want to help new players  play better in the game . This is only ridiculous because you wont let it go . Even after I tried to point you to another thread to help and also offered an apology to you if I offended you in any way . I thought this was over and done but I guess not .

    I posted my last 2 replies to this thread yesterday after seeing your Sunday post and its claims about the brackets . It was then that I questioned WGT about brackets and the playing conditions . I dont play brackets so since I didnt know about them I asked WGT about them through C/S . All of this was done Sunday as well and I waited for their reply before I posted any response to you yesterday . So I doubt if anything has changed in less than 24 hours . Its not what we say but what WGT says after all its their game and who would know better than them ?

    So once again Im done with this and once again you have nothing to prove to me . Regardless of how I feel or think it wont have any effect on how you play the game or what you accomplish . Im not trying to keep up any drama and sorry if you feel its that way . Once again I apologize for whatever I have said that you find offensive too you .

    Also a word of caution becareful with the bracket play . Playing the credit events will cause you to tier up faster than you may want . If you arent careful you will find your self playing from the tips before you are ready . There are past threads from new found Legends who got caught with their pants down because of this . Just a word of caution  Jeremy dont wind up all dressed up with no where to go . Play well have fun and good luck with your game .

     

  • GARRYCARTER
    1,533 Posts
    Wed, Sep 14 2016 10:51 AM

    jeremygrogan:

    Hi Everyone,

     

    I am still pretty new to this game, but, since I started on August 12th (about a month ago) I have experienced a plethora of feelings while playing more than 66 full rounds of Golf; feelings such as: “Frustration” (playing the Olympic Club with heavy wind); “Glory” when sinking my first Hole-in-One; and “Confusion” while I watch the ball go far off target from the meter and my aim.  During all this excitement I have watched many YouTube videos and read many forum posts about everything from wind calculation to green speeds.  Some of the content was useful in helping me get a grip of the game, but ultimately, “Practice,” “Experience,” and “Perspective” have paid me the most.

     

    I wanted to provide a blog post and forum discussion revolving around a certain shift I had to make in my mind; a complete shift in my approach to the game.  This is a similar approach I have recently taken with my real-world golf game, though, I could never afford to have the inventory of clubs I can have on WGT.

     

    I want to present two fundamental aspects of my approach that have really cleaned up my scorecards. I am not going to be discussing anything at the super advanced level and cannot get you to land every approach shot within 1 foot of the green and nail 16 birdies and 2 eagles every round.  However, I can offer a different way of looking at putting and club selection.  This article will focus on Club selection, and I will produce my putting perspective in another post, at a later date.

     

    CLUB SELECTION:

     

    When I started I realized “FAST” that I would live in a world of frustration unless I had playable equipment.  I built my set one piece at a time, and just as I didn’t think I would have any use for a 3H, I was sold after landing a long approach (that didn’t roll off the green) while renting the “NIKE Vapor Fly 3H (L-49).” 

     Well Jeremy, I am going to give it a whirl if I can remember to change each set that is, thanks for your input.

     

    GC.

    Here is my Current Inventory:

     

    Driver: Callaway Big Bertha 10.5° Driver (Fubuki shaft) (L18+)

    3W: Callaway Big Bertha 3 Fairway Wood (L19+)

    3H: NIKE Vapor Fly 3 Hybrid (L49+)

     

    52: Cleveland 588 52° Wedge (L26+)

    56: Cleveland 588 56° Wedge (L27+)

    58: TaylorMade ATV 58° Wedge (L39+)

    60: Cleveland 588 60° Wedge (L29+)

    64: Cleveland 588 64° Wedge (L31+)

    64: TaylorMade ATV 64° Wedge (L39+)

     

    Irons: TaylorMade R11 Iron Set (Steel) (L32+)

    Putter: TaylorMade Ghost Manta Putter (L30+)

     

    I want to propose a shift in thinking, however, that one’s set must always contain Driver, 3W, 3H, and 2 Wedges.  This thought had occurred to me when I purchased all four “Cleveland 588 Wedges,” and the “Taylor Made ATV 58 & 64” I wanted to run all off them.  I will always wish that I could remove my 3, 4, and 5 Irons and run more wedges like I do in my physical set at home; I’ve dropped those Irons from my bag and run a 52, 56, 60, and 64; soon, I will be dropping my stock “PW” for a 48.

     

    As you can see, as far as WGT goes, I have more clubs than I can fit in one bag.  However, each club gets used in play.  As a Microsoft Excel nerd, I keep track of nearly everything and even run my own analytics, which is another topic for another day.  But, I will tell you that I keep track of performance for each course, and each tee position; I adjust the club selection list for "each course" (or more broadly "each condition") as I play.

     

    I have outlined a few of my club sets, based on a few sample conditions that we have all certainly played.

     

    Condition 1: (Standard bag for Kiawah, white tee)

     

    Driver, CL-52, CL-56, CL-60, CL-64, Irons, Putter

     

    As you can see, I have no 3W or 3H.  At my currently level and tee position, for this course, I find that I can use a 3I anytime I would need to use a 3W or 3H.  What I sacrifice are eagle opportunities on approachable par 5s for more precise options on short par 4 approaches.  The 3I in this case, lands most long-par-4’s and when it doesn’t, I play back from the green about 60 yards in order to set up an accurate wedge approach.  Also, my driver set at 85% will act as a 3W off the tee when driving shorter distance.  Consider playing this bag or similar, on Kiawah and get a feel of it for yourself; see if it sharpens your score.  This set is designed to reduce bogeys, rather than produce birdies; birdies will come as a result of consistent approaches and well executed putts.

     

    Condition 2: (Standard bag for Brackets)

     

    Driver, 3H, CL-52, ATV-58, CL-64, Irons, Putter

     

    This is the bag I use when entering a bracket tournament since I won’t know which Tee I will be playing from and will need as much “Versatility” with driving distance and a “Wide-range” of wedge distances for approaches as possible.

     

    As you can see, I have my 3H to cover for short drives and par-5 second/mid-stretch shots.  The ATV-58 is key here since I would really rather play a 56 and 60, but it fills the gap between the needed 52 and 64, which are both a must.

     

    52 = 105 yds.

    58 = 86 yds.

    64 = 60 yds.

     

    Condition 3: (Standard bag for “Best of Bandon par 3” and “Best of WGT par 3”)

     

    3H, CL-52, ATV-58, CL-64, ATV 64, Irons, Putter

     

    CL-52 = 105 yds.

    ATV-58 = 86 yds.

    CL-64 = 60 yds.

    ATV 64 = 50 yds.

     

    The two keys in this bag are the 3H and the ATV-64.  My 3H will land better than my 3W (I hate it when the ball lands and then rolls off the green) and there are not enough long distance holes to justify even having a driver in the bag.  Second key is my ATV 64.  It is so handy to have when playing BB par 3 with heavy wind.  Even the best players, I imagine, will miss the green due to heavy wind and I have found the ATV 64 to get me better positions from “edge rough,” or “along the edge of a bunker that is close to the pin,” and reduces the second disastrous stroke which sales far past the pin resulting in a likely bogey or worse.

     

    Condition 4: (Standard bag for “Best of WGT par 5” and “courses with many long par 4’s”)

     

    Driver, 3W, 3H, CL-52, CL-60, Irons, Putter

     

    CL-52 = 105 yds.

    CL-64 = 75 yds.

     

    This bag looks pretty standard, but I have seen some bags use a (56 and 64) rather than the (52, and 60).  The real key to this bag is making sure to set up your third shot as close to 105 yds. Or 75 yds. As possible.  It won’t work very well to just get the ball down the tunnel as far as you can each time and then deal with your third shot whereever it lies; this is called “Course Management.”  I got 9 birdies, an eagle, and only 2 bogeys last time I played the course, just by executing course management.

     

    Finally, I will conclude this post by emphasizing how extremely important it is to have a 52.  If you are not playing one, you need this in every bag (it is the only club I own that is literally in every bag).  It will land softer and more accurately than any PW or 9I I have rented at my current level (Level 50, as of 9/8/16). The GAP wedge was introduced due to PGA player demand (back in the 1980’s) because they desired a wedge that could be relied on to cover the distance “The GAP” between PW and SW at the time.

     

    Thanks to everyone who stayed tuned to this post and I look forward to hearing your thoughts and discussion thread.

    Best,

     

    Jeremy Grogan

     

     

     

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