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WGT Rankings

• gaoerfuqiu 443 Posts

  Mon, Aug 24 2009 4:45 AM

  I believe, Tibbets, that we're chasing the same hound with two different foxes. Your points are completely valid and well thought-out, but, correct me if I'm wrong, you're saying those in reference to a tournament play rankings. Remember that I'm trying for a scoring average rankings, and the only reason to use tournaments is to have a certain minimum number of rounds that people have to play that include participating in certain tournaments. The issue I have is finding a standardized minimum that everybody can participate in. On the PGA Tour, everybody plays a tournament with, generally, the same conditions. The same should apply here. I would agree with you on your point of entry fee tournaments if it applied to a ranking system based on performance in tournaments, but this has nothing to do with tournaments.

  And JTxpress, you're absolutely right, and you worded it perfectly. Thanks a lot.

  And one more thing, for everybody: there is an imitator called "gaoerfuqui69" who is trying to steal the credit for the community calendar I created and has my exact same profile picture. Please do not mistake anything he does for what I do, and ignore him if he tries to take credit for anything I create. Thanks a whole lot.

• dorkfeatures 712 Posts

  Mon, Aug 24 2009 5:12 AM

  @tibbets

  Hi,

  Sorry I wasnt talking about multiplay tournaments, I was talking about the multiplayer format !! Sorry if I got my wording crossed up. Multi plays would be fine as part of a ranking system - it was just the multiplayer group format that I didnt think was worth using.

  Cheers Doug

• tibbets 1,043 Posts

  Mon, Aug 24 2009 5:23 AM

  Understood.  Thanks for clearing that up Dorkfeatures.

• Caven 63 Posts

  Mon, Aug 24 2009 6:43 AM

  Very will thought out by all.

  What is it does the community wish to rank?

  We've had ranking by averages using all posted scores, which did not contain much meaning.

  We have ranking by single play tournaments, also a good effort but also not much meaning.

  Do we wish to have an all tournament ranking, (and the concept of four round tournaments has always been an excellent idea), do we wish to rank by total skill where all stats and tournament and money list placements are used weighted to importance, do we wish to rank by a weighted system where all scores are included?

  There is an interesting method the pga uses called the golf rank index (http://www.golfrankindex.com/sc-asa01.htm), might this be structured for WGT in some method?

  I think that for those who want to see some sort of ranking, and personally it doesn't mean much to me as I've always been a hack in masters clothing and just enjoy getting lost in the game, we must first be specific of what it is we want to rank.  And then determine how.

  Gaoerfugui your conducting a very interesting and promising thread, and I believe your on the right track finally, keep it up.

• gaoerfuqiu 443 Posts

  Mon, Aug 24 2009 7:11 AM

  Thanks a lot for the Golf Rank Index reference, Caven. That could work except for the fact that current WGT tournaments do not have four rounds. One thing that could be done is just start a separate pro-golf type thing where the best players play on the "PGA Tour" and other players can compete on the "European Tour" or the "Nationwide Tour" and some can even play on the "Canadian Tour" or the "Sunshine Tour". That's actually my goal at the end of the day, but that's not the only option right now. Another thing to do is have all players play four ranked rounds each week and make a GRI for each player out of that, but it wouldn't be a tournament per say.

  I think that a system where other statistics such as what Caven mentioned is attainable in the future, but because we don't have a standardized system right now, it's impossible to do something like that. We have to take what's given to us, and it's not much. If I had to choose a solution right now, it would be a combination of the two possibilities I already listed. The rankings would start based on scoring average, and each week every player would play four ranked rounds, and I would create a GRI out of that. Then, maybe starting at the beginning of 2010, I create a tour system similar to that of real life and have players qualify for certain tours based on their rankings. How does that sound to everyone?

• Caven 63 Posts

  Mon, Aug 24 2009 9:27 AM

  That may be a good beginning.

  You say 4 ranked rounds as a scoring average per week, would that lead to what we experienced in the last ranking system using averages?  Where someone like me who enjoys playing almost exclusively the 9 hole unlimited play (I just don't like 18 holes) have 4 scores used against someone who plays both single play and unlimited?  I guess the GRI would have to have some sort of degree of difficulty compensator.

  And multiplayer matches do not enter into it as a ranked round?

  Just to clarify, Nivlac was the originator of the concept of using stats as player comparison some months ago.  You are correct, that would be a nightmare to try and compute, it would have to be programmed into the game I would guess.

• gaoerfuqiu 443 Posts

  Mon, Aug 24 2009 10:39 AM

  Well, what you could do is instead of using tournaments, say that each player has to play four separate ranked rounds - multiplayer included, because it's still a ranked round - of either 4 18-hole rounds or 8 9-hole rounds. Then I could find the GRI each week and average that with the scoring average that I'm starting with this week until 14 weeks have passed and I can make an average of the GRIs from that.

  Also, statistics, as you said, are a very hard way to rate players in golf - the easiest way is tournament play, which is why I'd like to make my own series of tournaments to solve that problem. But that's farther off.

• Caven 63 Posts

  Mon, Aug 24 2009 3:44 PM

  I don't want to sound like a pessimist and possibly discourage because it is starting to appear you may be on to a concept that may crack this issue.

  However...

  If I understand correctly you wish to have players play ranked rounds in addition to unlimited tournament play which is about the same thing.  I do not know if many will add 4 - 18's or 8 - 9's per week when they can play unlimited tournaments.  Unless of course they want to be included in the ranking system if those are the criteria set.

  Just a thought.

• gaoerfuqiu 443 Posts

  Mon, Aug 24 2009 6:14 PM

  You misunderstand me, Caven. Maybe my wording was wrong, but when I said multiplays, I meant multiplayer mode, as in playing with more than one person. What I would like to do is have four 18-hole or 8 9-hole rounds be played each week, separate from tournament play, which can include rounds played in multiplayer mode. Does that clear it up for you?

• Caven 63 Posts

  Mon, Aug 24 2009 8:19 PM

  Yes, that clears it up.  What threw me is you said ranked rounds which is a single player option different from multiplayer and tournament.

  The only issue with this is the age old problem of people bailing, especially if shooting for average.

  What ever you decide it is worth the shot.

  Good luck.