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• msejnoha 63 Posts

  Sat, Apr 8 2017 5:24 PM

   

   I have so many problems I don't even know where to start. Ever since I tiered up to Master, I just as well be out there with a tree branch and a rock. I mean, I wasn't spectacular before but now I'm downright awful. I can't even shoot par to save my life. What I'm having the most trouble with is iron and wedge distance. I just had a shot with 165 yd iron 16-18 mph wind at my back. Full strength and (amazingly) dinged it. Carried 149 yds into the sand. 

  Which brings me to my Cleveland wedges. I shot an 8 on a par 5 yesterday because I couldn't get out of the sand from 7 yards out. Just couldn't do it. At that distance I've tried pitching out, which failed miserably. So I usually try to hit full. But it seems that trying to hit less than 60% full shot results in a one yard shot.  Going by the meter, one would think that the 60 yd wedge at 50% power would equal 30 yds. But it doesn't add up even hitting from the fairway. Example shot: wind of 5-7 mph at my back, negligible elevation (inches, not feet). Want to hit 45 yards so I pick the 60 yd wedge and meter at 75%. Carries 32 yds into the rough. Clearly I'm missing something. Or the clubs turn to garbage as you tier up so you have to buy new ones. Which is fine, to a point. I'm all for buying new clubs if I need them. I just don't see anything unlocked yet that are better than what I have. I did just buy the M2 irons that I'm thinking of ditching to go back to the R11s

  I really wish I could save replays for examples but I play on mobile and we can't save any replays. While I would obviously never do it, I see why some people don't want to go any higher than Tour Pro. 

• CEverett12 14,177 Posts

  Sat, Apr 8 2017 6:51 PM

  Hang in there it will get better , When you tier up to master it takes a little adjustment  ,

  When you are in the sand , Elevation makes a big difference , Also spin on the ball will effect distance ,

  3/4 on your 60 yard wedge is not 45 yards , Its 40 yards .

  You'll get there , don't worry ..

   

• msejnoha 63 Posts

  Sat, Apr 8 2017 7:06 PM

  Well it's becoming clear that 3/4 is 40 yards. But it shouldn't be. It should be 45. 60 divided into quarters is 15. 

  Either way, I also just figured out that a 29 yd pitch with a wedge in a 60-70% lie gets you 2 yds. 

   

  And anytime we we can end moderation is fine with me. 

• phred952 2,714 Posts

  Sat, Apr 8 2017 7:11 PM

  Power is not linear, except perhaps for the 90 to 100% range.  For a 45 yard shot with my top level Cleveland 64* wedge, I will hit @ 80% power with 0 spin for a full shot, or around 85% power with Full Backspin.  Both those will put me in the 45 yard range.  However green slope can greatly effect where the ball stops.  Or a Punch shot with 0 spin at around 90% power.  There are many ways to play that shot depending on the green slope, etc.

  As far as irons shots, elevation will make a big difference in ball travel, as will the amount of backspin.   Take a bit of time and map your new irons.  Use the search function to find the best ways to map your clubs.  Find a method that works for you.  

  I usually use Kiawah #1 or #10 in low wind.  You will want to know both carry and roll.  But I will also try and get some numbers in higher wind conditions so I know how head and tail winds effect shots.  I usually map at 85% to 100% power in 5% increments.  Some people map in 2% increments.  

  Also remember that using the mulligan feature in practice rounds counts extra hits against ball usage for every shot.

  I hope this helps a bit.  Be patient, as the game got harder when you made Master.  It will get more difficult with each new tier.

  Good Luck.  

• SidersBest 873 Posts

  Sat, Apr 8 2017 7:12 PM

  Why don't U learn to play the courses that gives U the advantage if U play the front 9 of Olympic or the back 9 of Merion Par is only 34 and if U shoot Par you'll bring your average down play smarter and not harder. Just  keep it in the fairway.

  Siders Best

• alosso 21,072 Posts

  Sat, Apr 8 2017 10:48 PM

  Conditions (and length) get harder for Masters, so you may have to adapt.

  Also, tailwind is not a guarantee to shoot longer - be alert to check it out.

  Bunkers are a beast of a special kind, and it varies with the sand %%. There are many tutorials around - search them =>

  A brief introduction:

  Overall, spin is eliminated.

  - 25%, much is possible, with reduced lengths.

  - 40%, take your medicine and only wedges (including PW). Expect not more than 70 yds.

  - 60%, be happy if you find a way out to the next FW.

  From the usual 30-40% sand, full and punch are the shots. Flop & pitch MAY work occasionally. A rule of thumb says, calculate 7 yds more distance, add a few for elevation, and respect the non-linearity of meter power.

• Dneirf 438 Posts

  Sat, Apr 8 2017 11:50 PM

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• 11BC2 555 Posts

  Sun, Apr 9 2017 7:07 AM

  msejnoha:

  Which brings me to my Cleveland wedges. I shot an 8 on a par 5 yesterday because I couldn't get out of the sand from 7 yards out

  With 3.5 spin wedges I'd use sand multipliers of 20-30% = 1.15,  30-40% = 1.3,  40-50% = 1.4.  If you're flopping 20-30% = +2y, 30-40% = +8y.

  Rough multipliers would be 20-30% = 1.03, 30-40% = 1.07,  40-50% = 1.125 (0-60y. it increases more the longer the shot).  Subtract -10% for pitches and flops from the fairway or fringe.  I.e., a flop from 10% rough with full b/s I hit my 64w (50y atv) 14 yards..  From the fringe I hit the same shot 15.4 yards.

  Shots from 40/50 take the biggest learning curve due to roll out and the seemingly random shots from different yardages; such as a 40y shots vs a 120y shot.  Around the green in 40/50% flops are your friend.   Use full back spin!  For flat shots or + elevation shots you can typically hit at distance (10 for 10, etc) or subtract 1 yard (usually at higher yardages - more roll  out). 

  Flops landing on neg elevation should always subtract a minimum of 1y.  If I'm landing -4 inches I'll subtract 2y, -8in 2.5y, -12in 3y, -15in 4y, and -20in or more 5y (or more!).  So a flop from 40/50% from 10y away to +2in elevation would be 10y (84% for me)  Same distance shot to a -15 in elevation would be 6y (64%).  Big difference.

• msejnoha 63 Posts

  Sun, Apr 9 2017 7:36 AM

  alosso:

  Conditions (and length) get harder for Masters, so you may have to adapt.

  Also, tailwind is not a guarantee to shoot longer - be alert to check it out.

  Bunkers are a beast of a special kind, and it varies with the sand %%. There are many tutorials around - search them =>

  A brief introduction:

  Overall, spin is eliminated.

  - 25%, much is possible, with reduced lengths.

  - 40%, take your medicine and only wedges (including PW). Expect not more than 70 yds.

  - 60%, be happy if you find a way out to the next FW.

  From the usual 30-40% sand, full and punch are the shots. Flop & pitch MAY work occasionally. A rule of thumb says, calculate 7 yds more distance, add a few for elevation, and respect the non-linearity of meter power.

  I knew the distance would change. I have trouble reaching long par 4s with my current setup. I'm currently renting the M2 wood and am considering buying it for the length over my R11.  I think my driver is probably as good as it gets for at least a few more levels.  But I wasn't prepared for the huge change in conditions. 

   

  Thanks for your help.  I definitely have some work to do.

• msejnoha 63 Posts

  Sun, Apr 9 2017 7:43 AM

  SidersBest:

  Why don't U learn to play the courses that gives U the advantage if U play the front 9 of Olympic or the back 9 of Merion Par is only 34 and if U shoot Par you'll bring your average down play smarter and not harder. Just  keep it in the fairway.

  Siders Best

  I'm trying to bring my average down by being good (or at least decent), not by only playing 2 low par courses. But thanks for the advice about keeping it in the fairway.  I have a feeling if we could all do that all the time, the forums would have a quarter of the pages it currently has. 

  I'm not trying to be an a** here, but I have a hard time taking serious anyone that can't type out the word 'you'.