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The new Cleveland 64°

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Wed, Jun 8 2011 1:11 PM

  So is the new Cleveland 64° WORLDS better than the TM Satin 64°? Still too new to tell?

   

   

• wildcat18racing6 420 Posts

  Wed, Jun 8 2011 1:28 PM

  Did a little work with it when i got it. regular shot hit at half power with a cal-z ball takes one hop of about a yard and stops dead (satin will not do that) Flop shot at half power and same ball only rolls out 1 yard (satin would probably roll out 3,4 or more at half power) Down hill chips check up nicely. So yes, i think its a whole lot better. it was full bs on all shots.

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Wed, Jun 8 2011 1:45 PM

  wildcat18racing6:

  Did a little work with it when i got it. regular shot hit at half power with a cal-z ball takes one hop of about a yard and stops dead (satin will not do that)

   it was full bs on all shots.

   

  Full BS even with the first shot you mentioned here? One hop and stops dead? So it didn't back up 23 yards?

• wildcat18racing6 420 Posts

  Wed, Jun 8 2011 1:50 PM

  no, not at half power. I would not use full back spin on a full power shot. I just wanted to see how well the club checked up on half power type shots since the satin has a little shorter range around the green which is nice. So i wanted to see if the short game would suffer at close range.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Jun 8 2011 2:19 PM

  wildcat18racing6:

  So i wanted to see if the short game would suffer at close range.

  IMO it does//will. If you're as in tune with your Satin64 as I was and used all of the shots with it the learning curve for this club is going to foul you up with the yardages for a bit.You can definitely spin back the full and punch shots a lot and the flop stops dead with full back spin.

   It's much longer than the Satin and that takes a little getting used to because now you're choking down instead of hitting full on shots. Learning how much to choke is the challenge. Throw in the stopping ability (which is sick) and your curve gets a little bigger. 

  I imagine Ping wedges users will adapt immediately but the change from the Satin will take some work learning the new distances from the different lies. I'm not a note taker so the only way I learn is by using it and remembering. Use it enough and you'll get the feel. It definitely complements the CG 80 and 100. In fact, with the 115 and the TM set the thought of 4 wedges is sneaking back.   :-)

   

  *edit-These are the yardages:  full 60    punch 50  pitch 17  chip 7  flop 20. They are very accurate numbers as the wedge bears this out in tests at BPB in low wind. Punches 48 from 30/40 rough and 42 from 40/50.

• wildcat18racing6 420 Posts

  Wed, Jun 8 2011 2:48 PM

  I think the learning curve will be worth it. The cleveland 64degree wedge closes up the gap between the satin 64degree and the cleveland 80yard wedge, and since it has good bite i can get back down to the short yardages in close like the yardages of the satin. thats why i tried all half power shots with full back spin to see if it will get down to those short yardages without rolling out too much. the wedge worked real well at half power.

• DarSum 1,440 Posts

  Wed, Jun 8 2011 3:45 PM

  Thanks guys. I might give a try some day but that Satin is just such a great club for me. Everything from 51-52 yrds down is covered with it. The 80 yrd cleveland I can choke to 54 dead on. That new 60 cleveland would fill that 3-5 yrd gap I get every now and then nicely.

  Jim, that's very surprising to me that you don't have every yardage marked down for each wedge/avatar movement. Or maybe I didn't read your post correctly? For instance I know the Cleveland 80 will go 65 yrds exactly 3 av movements down no bs. And the Satin 50 yrd will go 36 yrds (give or take 1 yrd either way) 3 av movements down with full bs. That's why I love that Cleveland. It is so damn accurate yardage wise even choking.

  I guess it wouldn't take but about 10 minutes to learn the yardages for the new Cleveland lob. But I use the Satin for EVERY shot around the green. That's where it would be time consuming.

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Wed, Jun 8 2011 4:56 PM

  DarSum:

  Jim, that's very surprising to me that you don't have every yardage marked down for each wedge/avatar movement.

  I don't use those moves with the 64 wedge. It's easier to play by feel with that particular club. In fact, the only clubs I use moves with are the 100 and 80 CGs. They are the first clubs I've seen where those moves are linear and that makes a huge difference. It's why you can nail that 65. Each move is the same every time.

  Ironically, I was thinking about you when I wrote that because of how you use your 64. You know the choke numbers and play well with it that way. I like using all of the shots because there are so many different yardages and you can take full swings.

  I did discover something interesting about the CGs. Full back spin on flat ground, no wind, with a Callaway ball knocks 10 yards off the distance. This was hitting in fairway landing in fairway.

• PGAbound67 565 Posts

  Wed, Jun 8 2011 5:21 PM

  Maybe it's just me, but the new wedge seems VERY buggy. I've hit about 20 shots from 50-60 yards with full bs and only had TWO of them spin back any. so, 18 of 20 shots look like they're about to zip back and then the run into velcro or something, while 2 of them spun back 30ft. I probably wouldnt ever hit a full shot with full bs, but certainly wouldn't trust doing so after those results.

• MrDonVito 472 Posts

  Wed, Jun 8 2011 5:28 PM

  PGAbound67:

  Maybe it's just me, but the new wedge seems VERY buggy. I've hit about 20 shots from 50-60 yards with full bs and only had TWO of them spin back any. so, 18 of 20 shots look like they're about to zip back and then the run into velcro or something, while 2 of them spun back 30ft. I probably wouldnt ever hit a full shot with full bs, but certainly wouldn't trust doing so after those results.

  i noticed that too. took two shots in a practice round, full 60yds, full bs and got maybe 2-3yds backspin out of it....